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From: Dona Patrick
Date: Tue, Mar 12 2019 8:46AM
Subject: Artifacting visual labels in PDF forms
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I am checking some PDF forms created in LiveCycle and noticed that the
author has chosen to artifact the visual labels before the form fields. The
form fields are correctly marked up with the same tooltip as the label.
Is this common practice? I have always included the visual label in the tag
structure and have never heard that it should be artifacted.
Thanks,
Dona
From: Philip Kiff
Date: Tue, Mar 12 2019 8:58AM
Subject: Re: Artifacting visual labels in PDF forms
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It's not a common practice that I know about. I have also always
included it.
Artifacting the labels would be mean that users attempting to understand
the form structure without entering Forms mode would be unable to access
the visible field label, which seems like a tagging failure to me.
Phil.
Philip Kiff
D4K Communications
On 2019-03-12 10:46 AM, Dona Patrick wrote:
> I am checking some PDF forms created in LiveCycle and noticed that the
> author has chosen to artifact the visual labels before the form fields. The
> form fields are correctly marked up with the same tooltip as the label.
>
> Is this common practice? I have always included the visual label in the tag
> structure and have never heard that it should be artifacted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dona
> > > >
From: Karlen Communications
Date: Tue, Mar 12 2019 9:39AM
Subject: Re: Artifacting visual labels in PDF forms
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I agree. We have to be able to read the text of a form, not just have access
to the form controls. Failing to tag the text/labels or any other text on a
form would fail the form for accessibility.
I've also seen instances where the text of a form including headings and
informative/instructional text has been "tagged" as a read only form control
thus forcing us to read everything on a form and preventing us from really
distinguishing the text/instructions from the form fields we need to fill
out. Also a failure in terms of accessibility.
Cheers, Karen
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It's not a common practice that I know about. I have also always included
it.
Artifacting the labels would be mean that users attempting to understand the
form structure without entering Forms mode would be unable to access the
visible field label, which seems like a tagging failure to me.
Phil.
Philip Kiff
D4K Communications
On 2019-03-12 10:46 AM, Dona Patrick wrote:
> I am checking some PDF forms created in LiveCycle and noticed that the
> author has chosen to artifact the visual labels before the form
> fields. The form fields are correctly marked up with the same tooltip as
the label.
>
> Is this common practice? I have always included the visual label in
> the tag structure and have never heard that it should be artifacted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dona
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
From: Dona Patrick
Date: Tue, Mar 12 2019 2:20PM
Subject: Re: Artifacting visual labels in PDF forms
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Thanks everyone. I was worried I'd been doing it wrong for all these years.
Dona
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:39 AM Karlen Communications <
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> I agree. We have to be able to read the text of a form, not just have
> access
> to the form controls. Failing to tag the text/labels or any other text on
> a
> form would fail the form for accessibility.
>
> I've also seen instances where the text of a form including headings and
> informative/instructional text has been "tagged" as a read only form
> control
> thus forcing us to read everything on a form and preventing us from really
> distinguishing the text/instructions from the form fields we need to fill
> out. Also a failure in terms of accessibility.
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
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> Philip Kiff
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:58 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Artifacting visual labels in PDF forms
>
> It's not a common practice that I know about. I have also always included
> it.
>
> Artifacting the labels would be mean that users attempting to understand
> the
> form structure without entering Forms mode would be unable to access the
> visible field label, which seems like a tagging failure to me.
>
> Phil.
>
> Philip Kiff
> D4K Communications
>
> On 2019-03-12 10:46 AM, Dona Patrick wrote:
> > I am checking some PDF forms created in LiveCycle and noticed that the
> > author has chosen to artifact the visual labels before the form
> > fields. The form fields are correctly marked up with the same tooltip as
> the label.
> >
> > Is this common practice? I have always included the visual label in
> > the tag structure and have never heard that it should be artifacted.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dona
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > at
> http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
>
From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Mon, Mar 18 2019 2:34PM
Subject: Re: Artifacting visual labels in PDF forms
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> Artifacting the labels would be mean that users attempting to understand the form structure without entering Forms mode would be unable to access the visible field label, which seems like a tagging failure to me.
In my experience the tooltips and form fields are placed in the virtual cursor/browse mode even if the label text is made an artifact -- so users are still able to arrow to the form fields and don't hear duplicate labels.
Jonathan
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It's not a common practice that I know about. I have also always included it.
Artifacting the labels would be mean that users attempting to understand the form structure without entering Forms mode would be unable to access the visible field label, which seems like a tagging failure to me.
Phil.
Philip Kiff
D4K Communications
On 2019-03-12 10:46 AM, Dona Patrick wrote:
> I am checking some PDF forms created in LiveCycle and noticed that the
> author has chosen to artifact the visual labels before the form
> fields. The form fields are correctly marked up with the same tooltip as the label.
>
> Is this common practice? I have always included the visual label in
> the tag structure and have never heard that it should be artifacted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dona
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>