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From: Jackson, Derek J
Date: Thu, Sep 10 2020 10:42AM
Subject: PDF tag for title
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Hello,

I wonder if anyone is familiar with a convention to tag the title in a PDF such that the title has the role of <title> and is mapped to a <P> tag? In testing with a screen reader (NVDA/Acrobat Reader) this is just read as normal text and there is no semantic indication that it is the title or a heading of any kind. I have always understood that the title should be an <H1>, and then subsequent headings flow from there. I wonder if this is an error since the title is visually indicated but there does not seem to be a programmatic way to understand the relationship. And I am talking about content in the document. I know the title must also be described in the metadata/document properties.

Just for the sake of clarity this is what I am seeing in the tag panel without roles mapped:
<Title> Document Title
And when I apply the role mapping it becomes:
<P> Document Title

Thanks for any and all help in understanding!

All the best,
Derek
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Harvard University Information Technology
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From: Paul Rayius
Date: Thu, Sep 10 2020 11:24AM
Subject: Re: PDF tag for title
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Hi Derek,
Tagging the title of the document in a <Title> tag, and role mapping to <P> is one current recommendation for how to handle titles in documents. The other, as you mentioned, is to tag it as an H1 and go from there.
That said, currently, there's no support for using a <Title> tag so processors can really only treat it like a paragraph (as it's role mapped). However, in the next version of the PDF standard (ISO 32000-2) there will be support for the <Title> tag. Then, in PDF-2 documents, you could remove the role mapping and assistive technologies (that conform to PDF-2 "rules") will be able to correctly handle the <Title> tag.
I hope that helps,
Paul

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Subject: [WebAIM] PDF tag for title

Hello,

I wonder if anyone is familiar with a convention to tag the title in a PDF such that the title has the role of <title> and is mapped to a <P> tag? In testing with a screen reader (NVDA/Acrobat Reader) this is just read as normal text and there is no semantic indication that it is the title or a heading of any kind. I have always understood that the title should be an <H1>, and then subsequent headings flow from there. I wonder if this is an error since the title is visually indicated but there does not seem to be a programmatic way to understand the relationship. And I am talking about content in the document. I know the title must also be described in the metadata/document properties.

Just for the sake of clarity this is what I am seeing in the tag panel without roles mapped:
<Title> Document Title
And when I apply the role mapping it becomes:
<P> Document Title

Thanks for any and all help in understanding!

All the best,
Derek
—

Digital Accessibility Developer | Digital Accessibility Services Harvard University Information Technology
1430 Massachusetts Ave, 4th Floor
Cambridge, MA 02138

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From: Jackson, Derek J
Date: Thu, Sep 10 2020 11:39AM
Subject: Re: PDF tag for title
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Thank you Paul,

That is exactly what I needed to know.
Thanks so much!
-Derek


On 9/10/20, 1:24 PM, "WebAIM-Forum on behalf of Paul Rayius" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = on behalf of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

Hi Derek,
Tagging the title of the document in a <Title> tag, and role mapping to <P> is one current recommendation for how to handle titles in documents. The other, as you mentioned, is to tag it as an H1 and go from there.
That said, currently, there's no support for using a <Title> tag so processors can really only treat it like a paragraph (as it's role mapped). However, in the next version of the PDF standard (ISO 32000-2) there will be support for the <Title> tag. Then, in PDF-2 documents, you could remove the role mapping and assistive technologies (that conform to PDF-2 "rules") will be able to correctly handle the <Title> tag.
I hope that helps,
Paul

Paul Rayius
Director of Training at CommonLook
Address 1600 Wilson Blvd., Suite 1010, Arlington, VA 22209
Direct +1 202-469-4487
Phone +1 202-902-0988 Ext. 204
Fax +1 202-434-8707
Email = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Website https://www.commonlook.com/








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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Jackson, Derek J
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:43 PM
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Subject: [WebAIM] PDF tag for title

Hello,

I wonder if anyone is familiar with a convention to tag the title in a PDF such that the title has the role of <title> and is mapped to a <P> tag? In testing with a screen reader (NVDA/Acrobat Reader) this is just read as normal text and there is no semantic indication that it is the title or a heading of any kind. I have always understood that the title should be an <H1>, and then subsequent headings flow from there. I wonder if this is an error since the title is visually indicated but there does not seem to be a programmatic way to understand the relationship. And I am talking about content in the document. I know the title must also be described in the metadata/document properties.

Just for the sake of clarity this is what I am seeing in the tag panel without roles mapped:
<Title> Document Title
And when I apply the role mapping it becomes:
<P> Document Title

Thanks for any and all help in understanding!

All the best,
Derek
—

Digital Accessibility Developer | Digital Accessibility Services Harvard University Information Technology
1430 Massachusetts Ave, 4th Floor
Cambridge, MA 02138

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From: Karlen Communications
Date: Thu, Sep 10 2020 11:54AM
Subject: Re: PDF tag for title
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I change the title of the document from a P Tag to an H1 Tag so that, as a person using a screen reader, I can quickly get to the top of a document. Using Ctrl + Shift + N to go to page 1 doesn't always take you to the top of the document, especially if there are preface pages with Roman Numerals in the document. I also make sure that the title of the document is the first Bookmark in the Bookmark Panel for the same reason...it is a fast way to get to the top of the document/first page.

Cheers, Karen

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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF tag for title

Hi Derek,
Tagging the title of the document in a <Title> tag, and role mapping to <P> is one current recommendation for how to handle titles in documents. The other, as you mentioned, is to tag it as an H1 and go from there.
That said, currently, there's no support for using a <Title> tag so processors can really only treat it like a paragraph (as it's role mapped). However, in the next version of the PDF standard (ISO 32000-2) there will be support for the <Title> tag. Then, in PDF-2 documents, you could remove the role mapping and assistive technologies (that conform to PDF-2 "rules") will be able to correctly handle the <Title> tag.
I hope that helps,
Paul

Paul Rayius
Director of Training at CommonLook
Address 1600 Wilson Blvd., Suite 1010, Arlington, VA 22209 Direct +1 202-469-4487 Phone +1 202-902-0988 Ext. 204 Fax +1 202-434-8707 Email = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = Website https://www.commonlook.com/








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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Jackson, Derek J
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:43 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [WebAIM] PDF tag for title

Hello,

I wonder if anyone is familiar with a convention to tag the title in a PDF such that the title has the role of <title> and is mapped to a <P> tag? In testing with a screen reader (NVDA/Acrobat Reader) this is just read as normal text and there is no semantic indication that it is the title or a heading of any kind. I have always understood that the title should be an <H1>, and then subsequent headings flow from there. I wonder if this is an error since the title is visually indicated but there does not seem to be a programmatic way to understand the relationship. And I am talking about content in the document. I know the title must also be described in the metadata/document properties.

Just for the sake of clarity this is what I am seeing in the tag panel without roles mapped:
<Title> Document Title
And when I apply the role mapping it becomes:
<P> Document Title

Thanks for any and all help in understanding!

All the best,
Derek
—

Digital Accessibility Developer | Digital Accessibility Services Harvard University Information Technology
1430 Massachusetts Ave, 4th Floor
Cambridge, MA 02138

he/him/his