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From: Szaj, Julie
Date: Mon, Sep 21 2020 8:24AM
Subject: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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Hello everyone,

There is current discussion happening regrading accessibility for authoring=
tools, specifically between Adobe Captivate (2019) and Articulate Storylin=
e. There is also discussion regarding scalable vs responsive and accessibil=
ity. I would appreciate any and all thoughts/experiences regarding each too=
l.

Thanks for your input!
Julie

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From: Steve Green
Date: Mon, Sep 21 2020 8:46AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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We have done a few projects recently for clients that are using Articulate Storyline, and it is absolutely freaking awful. A recent update improved the accessibility, but it was just lipstick on a very ugly pig.

One client is publishing courses that play in the Storyline player. We can attempt to fix issues with the course material, but we cannot do anything about the numerous issues in the player. You really do not want to go down this route.

We usually avoid making subjective judgements, but the code quality is what we internally refer to as "pure filth". The developer tells us that he can only add buttons, not links, checkboxes or radio buttons. Buttons do not have state, so if the client wants checkboxes or radio buttons, he has do ugly things like updating the programmatic name to convey the state.

Zooming seems to be impossible. The entire thing is made of SVGs that scale to fill the viewport. In fact we have even seen the content reduce in size when the zoom level was increased, because the player increased in size, effectively reducing the viewport size, so the SVGs got smaller.

There are so many other things wrong and things you can't do. For instance, "aria-label" is just about the only ARIA attribute the developer can add. It is a single-page application, so focus control is an issue, and you can't have ARIA live regions even though they would often be beneficial or essential.

I haven't used Captivate, but I would be surprised if it's much better. All these rapid development tools seem to be much the same.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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Sent: 21 September 2020 15:24
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Subject: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools

Hello everyone,

There is current discussion happening regrading accessibility for authoring tools, specifically between Adobe Captivate (2019) and Articulate Storyline. There is also discussion regarding scalable vs responsive and accessibility. I would appreciate any and all thoughts/experiences regarding each tool.

Thanks for your input!
Julie

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From: glen walker
Date: Mon, Sep 21 2020 2:26PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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Regarding Captivate, while I haven't used it, Adobe publishes their VPATs
so you might get a sense for how well it works.

https://www.adobe.com/accessibility/compliance.html

From: Vaughn, Michael
Date: Mon, Sep 21 2020 3:56PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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I have a little experience with Captivate 2019. There is a “responsive” project type that I haven’t explored, but the “normal” project type is similar to Storyline in that the HTML output does not support zooming. If you enable the table of contents feature, it has many accessibility problems. Also, if you add links to your slides, they won’t be keyboard accessible (stick to buttons instead, which are better).

The authoring environment is not at all accessible.

It certainly would be great if some vendor could come up with something half way passable for accessible training development. Neither Captivate or Storyline are good options.


From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Date: Monday, September 21, 2020 at 4:26 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools
Regarding Captivate, while I haven't used it, Adobe publishes their VPATs
so you might get a sense for how well it works.

https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adobe.com%2Faccessibility%2Fcompliance.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cmichael.vaughn%40yale.edu%7Ce2657198c9d2401b0cae08d85e6ca6cb%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637363168038910071&amp;sdata=1hk5pT3YrfDtoRLw4L17x9h9J6sitq%2FmezaUMMx3xIA%3D&amp;reserved=0

From: Szaj, Julie
Date: Tue, Sep 22 2020 5:22AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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Thanks for your honest feedback Steve. I appreciate you sharing your experiences and am hoping others will share theirs as well.

Happy autumn everyone,
Julie

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 9:47 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools

We have done a few projects recently for clients that are using Articulate Storyline, and it is absolutely freaking awful. A recent update improved the accessibility, but it was just lipstick on a very ugly pig.

One client is publishing courses that play in the Storyline player. We can attempt to fix issues with the course material, but we cannot do anything about the numerous issues in the player. You really do not want to go down this route.

We usually avoid making subjective judgements, but the code quality is what we internally refer to as "pure filth". The developer tells us that he can only add buttons, not links, checkboxes or radio buttons. Buttons do not have state, so if the client wants checkboxes or radio buttons, he has do ugly things like updating the programmatic name to convey the state.

Zooming seems to be impossible. The entire thing is made of SVGs that scale to fill the viewport. In fact we have even seen the content reduce in size when the zoom level was increased, because the player increased in size, effectively reducing the viewport size, so the SVGs got smaller.

There are so many other things wrong and things you can't do. For instance, "aria-label" is just about the only ARIA attribute the developer can add. It is a single-page application, so focus control is an issue, and you can't have ARIA live regions even though they would often be beneficial or essential.

I haven't used Captivate, but I would be surprised if it's much better. All these rapid development tools seem to be much the same.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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Sent: 21 September 2020 15:24
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools

Hello everyone,

There is current discussion happening regrading accessibility for authoring tools, specifically between Adobe Captivate (2019) and Articulate Storyline. There is also discussion regarding scalable vs responsive and accessibility. I would appreciate any and all thoughts/experiences regarding each tool.

Thanks for your input!
Julie

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From: Szaj, Julie
Date: Thu, Sep 24 2020 6:54AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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I agree with you Michael; it would be nice if authoring tool companies would make their products fully accessible.

At present, I do create responsive, online courses in Captivate 2019 but I have colleagues who think the extra time (and cost) it takes to create accessible courses isn't our best approach and wants to allow designing "scalable" courses (instead of responsive) or look for another tool. That's why I am wondering how Articulate Storyline compares with Adobe Captivate 2019 when it comes to accessibility.

Again, thanks for your thoughts Michael. I appreciate any thoughts/experiences from others, as I see this as a very important decision for our institution.
Julie

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I have a little experience with Captivate 2019. There is a "responsive" project type that I haven't explored, but the "normal" project type is similar to Storyline in that the HTML output does not support zooming. If you enable the table of contents feature, it has many accessibility problems. Also, if you add links to your slides, they won't be keyboard accessible (stick to buttons instead, which are better).

The authoring environment is not at all accessible.

It certainly would be great if some vendor could come up with something half way passable for accessible training development. Neither Captivate or Storyline are good options.


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Date: Monday, September 21, 2020 at 4:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools Regarding Captivate, while I haven't used it, Adobe publishes their VPATs so you might get a sense for how well it works.

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From: Steve Green
Date: Thu, Sep 24 2020 8:17AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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It doesn't matter how bad Captivate is, you absolutely do not want to switch to Storyline. It is difficult to imagine how an authoring tool could be worse in terms of accessibility.

Steve


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools

I agree with you Michael; it would be nice if authoring tool companies would make their products fully accessible.

At present, I do create responsive, online courses in Captivate 2019 but I have colleagues who think the extra time (and cost) it takes to create accessible courses isn't our best approach and wants to allow designing "scalable" courses (instead of responsive) or look for another tool. That's why I am wondering how Articulate Storyline compares with Adobe Captivate 2019 when it comes to accessibility.

Again, thanks for your thoughts Michael. I appreciate any thoughts/experiences from others, as I see this as a very important decision for our institution.
Julie

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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:57 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools

I have a little experience with Captivate 2019. There is a "responsive" project type that I haven't explored, but the "normal" project type is similar to Storyline in that the HTML output does not support zooming. If you enable the table of contents feature, it has many accessibility problems. Also, if you add links to your slides, they won't be keyboard accessible (stick to buttons instead, which are better).

The authoring environment is not at all accessible.

It certainly would be great if some vendor could come up with something half way passable for accessible training development. Neither Captivate or Storyline are good options.


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools Regarding Captivate, while I haven't used it, Adobe publishes their VPATs so you might get a sense for how well it works.

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From: Amber Holladay
Date: Thu, Sep 24 2020 9:57AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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I have a colleague who reviewed multiple authoring tools for accessibility
and she recommends https://www.elucidat.com/. Neither she nor I have any
affiliation with the company.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 8:17 AM Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> It doesn't matter how bad Captivate is, you absolutely do not want to
> switch to Storyline. It is difficult to imagine how an authoring tool could
> be worse in terms of accessibility.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Szaj, Julie
> Sent: 24 September 2020 13:54
> To: Vaughn, Michael < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; WebAIM Discussion List <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools
>
> I agree with you Michael; it would be nice if authoring tool companies
> would make their products fully accessible.
>
> At present, I do create responsive, online courses in Captivate 2019 but I
> have colleagues who think the extra time (and cost) it takes to create
> accessible courses isn't our best approach and wants to allow designing
> "scalable" courses (instead of responsive) or look for another tool. That's
> why I am wondering how Articulate Storyline compares with Adobe Captivate
> 2019 when it comes to accessibility.
>
> Again, thanks for your thoughts Michael. I appreciate any
> thoughts/experiences from others, as I see this as a very important
> decision for our institution.
> Julie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vaughn, Michael < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools
>
> I have a little experience with Captivate 2019. There is a "responsive"
> project type that I haven't explored, but the "normal" project type is
> similar to Storyline in that the HTML output does not support zooming. If
> you enable the table of contents feature, it has many accessibility
> problems. Also, if you add links to your slides, they won't be keyboard
> accessible (stick to buttons instead, which are better).
>
> The authoring environment is not at all accessible.
>
> It certainly would be great if some vendor could come up with something
> half way passable for accessible training development. Neither Captivate or
> Storyline are good options.
>
>
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Date: Monday, September 21, 2020 at 4:26 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools Regarding
> Captivate, while I haven't used it, Adobe publishes their VPATs so you
> might get a sense for how well it works.
>
>
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From: Steve Green
Date: Thu, Sep 24 2020 10:25AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility for Authoring Tools
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We tested a course built with Elucidat a couple of months ago. There were plenty of issues that needed to be put right, but it was absolutely miles better than Storyline. You could actually read the code and see how it works, which you can't do with Storyline because the code is bloated, incomprehensible filth. And just about everything was fixable.

We didn't have direct contact with Elucidat, but our client told us they were very open to making improvements, probably because they are a much smaller company. You're not going to get to talk to anyone who can make anything happen at Articulate.

Steve


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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools

I have a colleague who reviewed multiple authoring tools for accessibility and she recommends https://www.elucidat.com/. Neither she nor I have any affiliation with the company.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 8:17 AM Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> It doesn't matter how bad Captivate is, you absolutely do not want to
> switch to Storyline. It is difficult to imagine how an authoring tool
> could be worse in terms of accessibility.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Szaj, Julie
> Sent: 24 September 2020 13:54
> To: Vaughn, Michael < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; WebAIM Discussion List
> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools
>
> I agree with you Michael; it would be nice if authoring tool companies
> would make their products fully accessible.
>
> At present, I do create responsive, online courses in Captivate 2019
> but I have colleagues who think the extra time (and cost) it takes to
> create accessible courses isn't our best approach and wants to allow
> designing "scalable" courses (instead of responsive) or look for
> another tool. That's why I am wondering how Articulate Storyline
> compares with Adobe Captivate
> 2019 when it comes to accessibility.
>
> Again, thanks for your thoughts Michael. I appreciate any
> thoughts/experiences from others, as I see this as a very important
> decision for our institution.
> Julie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vaughn, Michael < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools
>
> I have a little experience with Captivate 2019. There is a "responsive"
> project type that I haven't explored, but the "normal" project type is
> similar to Storyline in that the HTML output does not support zooming.
> If you enable the table of contents feature, it has many accessibility
> problems. Also, if you add links to your slides, they won't be
> keyboard accessible (stick to buttons instead, which are better).
>
> The authoring environment is not at all accessible.
>
> It certainly would be great if some vendor could come up with
> something half way passable for accessible training development.
> Neither Captivate or Storyline are good options.
>
>
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Date: Monday, September 21, 2020 at 4:26 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility for Authoring Tools Regarding
> Captivate, while I haven't used it, Adobe publishes their VPATs so you
> might get a sense for how well it works.
>
>
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