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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Apr 25, 2017 7:05AM

A title attribute on the iframe is all you should need (plus, of
course, ensuring that the content of the iframe is accessible).
Jaws prefers to use the <title> element inside the iframe to derive
its accessible name. I am not sure why, as WCAG 2.4.2 recommend use of
the title attribute.

Yes, there were issues with NVDA and navigation in and out of iframes
using the tab key (users could get around it by navigating into the
iframe with the arrow keys).
I think it is this issue which appears to be solved in NVDA version 2015.3
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5227

And, yes, we need to settle on a combination of browser/screen reader
to test with, we can't test for them all (nor should we).
See http://whoseline.a11yideas.com for more thoughts and examples.
There are reasons for upgrading that go beyond accessibility, e.g.
functionality and security.



On 4/25/17, JP Jamous < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Glad you do Thomas. That makes us a great team. Thumbs up. *Smiles*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Lee McKeithan II
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 9:34 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iframes
>
> I concur JP.
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Thomas Lee McKeithan II | Optum Technology Solutions Electronic
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
> Of JP Jamous
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:31 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iframes
>
> 1. Why worry about older versions of NVDA since it is an open source?
> 2. Analytical tests are good, but each version of a SR and BR introduce new
> functionalities and deprecate other ones. It is always advisable to test in
> your target BR/SR to ensure the combination works for your audience.
>
>
> I hear people always talking about trends and best practices. While those
> help. I always test the version of SR again the version of BR to ensure the
> 2 provide a smoother user experience. I like to look at this concept like
> the human body concept. While female bodies function alike, each body is
> different. The same apply to men. Too many factors impact the categorization
> such as DNA, age, medical history, etc.
>
> Keep an overall eye on the big picture, but never lose focus of the detailed
> picture. That is each agent alongside its counter-part.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
> Of L Snider
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:54 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iframes
>
> I was doing some research on this a while back and found this source. It
> looks like older versions of NVDA may have issues?
> https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/labelling/iframe-title/
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:43 AM, JP Jamous < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> Just be careful with the page title of the loading page inside the iframe.
>> The page is best having <title></title> and <html lang="en-us"> to
>> avoid issues with screen readers and automated tools such as WAVE and Axe.
>>
>> The iframe should always have <iframe title="Google Ad"> so screen
>> readers announce the type of iframe. If the title attribute is missing
>> the screen reader would read the page title that is loaded in the iframe.
>>
>> Those simple tricks and proper semantic will keep the flow proper with
>> a great UX.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
>> Behalf Of Corrine Schoeb
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:21 AM
>> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> Subject: [WebAIM] iframes
>>
>> We may need to use iframes for calendar data coming from a third party
>> and wondering about the accessibility of iframes and their content.
>>
>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/is-title-attribute-on-iframe-
>> required-by-wcag.html
>> seems indicates there may be issues with iframes generally and
>> especially when they don't have titles, particularly for VoiceOver
>>
>> http://webaim.org/techniques/frames/#iframe seems to indicate adding a
>> title is all one needs to do to make them friendly for screen readers.
>>
>> Seems clear adding a title attribute is going to help, but is there
>> more that we should be aware of and plan on doing?
>>
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