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From: Steven Henderson
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:39AM
Subject: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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Is anybody familiar with using a Mac browser with assistive technologies?



I'm finding it a nightmare to work with Safari in regards to Flash tabbing
integration within html documents and wondered if there are any Mac users
that could give their opinions on accessibility with regards to Mac
browsers, especially with regards to using Flash within html documents.



Steven

From: Carin Headrick
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:45AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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I have heard on the Mac Visionaries list the words "Flash is poison!" So I
don't think it works too well. You could ask that list and I'm sure you'd
get lots of info. It's a Google Group.

Wish I could be of more help though.

Carin
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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] Mac browser users of assistive technology


Is anybody familiar with using a Mac browser with assistive technologies?



I'm finding it a nightmare to work with Safari in regards to Flash tabbing
integration within html documents and wondered if there are any Mac users
that could give their opinions on accessibility with regards to Mac
browsers, especially with regards to using Flash within html documents.



Steven

From: E.J. Zufelt
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:48AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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Good morning,

As a user of Safari with VoiceOver I will say that Flash objects are not recognized by VoiceOver. This doesn't mean that they cannot function, just that the Flash UI isn't accessible to VoiceOver.

HTH,
Everett Zufelt
http://zufelt.ca

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On 2010-05-24, at 10:40 AM, Steven Henderson wrote:

> Is anybody familiar with using a Mac browser with assistive technologies?
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> I'm finding it a nightmare to work with Safari in regards to Flash tabbing
> integration within html documents and wondered if there are any Mac users
> that could give their opinions on accessibility with regards to Mac
> browsers, especially with regards to using Flash within html documents.
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> Steven
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From: Michael.Moore@dars.state.tx.us
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 9:57AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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Everett wrote,

As a user of Safari with VoiceOver I will say that Flash objects are not recognized by VoiceOver. This doesn't mean that they cannot function, just that the Flash UI isn't accessible to VoiceOver.

[Mike's Question]
Everett,
Does VoiceOver work with FireFox or Chrome on the Mac? And if so, does Flash work with VoiceOver on either of those browsers? Have you confirmed that VoiceOver and Safari do not work with Flash objects that have been designed for accessibility.

Finally, a question for Andrew or Bob if you are lurking around this morning. If there really is a lack of compatibility is this due to the reliance on MSAA on the windows platform that is preventing operation on the Mac?

Mike

From: Pratik Patel
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:06AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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[Mike's Question]
Everett,
Does VoiceOver work with FireFox or Chrome on the Mac? And if so, does Flash
work with VoiceOver on either of those browsers? Have you confirmed that
VoiceOver and Safari do not work with Flash objects that have been designed
for accessibility.

P: Voiceover does not work completely with either Firefox or Chrome on the
Mac. Firefox access is being tested. I see updates from Mozilla reps from
time to time giving snippets of updates from time to time. Nothing firm has
been announced.

The last I heard, Chrome UI was using standard Coco components, which would
mean that it is accessible. But, this does not include the browsing part of
the UI itself. I have not been successful at browsing with Chrome on the
Mac and Voiceover. Google's public efforts have focused on MSAA
implementation and not UA implementation.

Finally, a question for Andrew or Bob if you are lurking around this
morning. If there really is a lack of compatibility is this due to the
reliance on MSAA on the windows platform that is preventing operation on the
Mac?

P: At Csun, Adobe announced that Flash accessibility for the Mac was being
improved whereby IAccessible 2 was going to be supported along with Apple's
UA. The primary reason for the lack of current support for Flash on the Mac
is this lack. Voiceover does not read flash objects at this time.

Regards,

Pratik

From: Steven Henderson
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:09AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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Thanks Everett.




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Sent: 24 May 2010 15:46
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Mac browser users of assistive technology

Good morning,

As a user of Safari with VoiceOver I will say that Flash objects are not
recognized by VoiceOver. This doesn't mean that they cannot function, just
that the Flash UI isn't accessible to VoiceOver.

HTH,
Everett Zufelt
http://zufelt.ca

Follow me on Twitter
http://twitter.com/ezufelt

View my LinkedIn Profile
http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt



On 2010-05-24, at 10:40 AM, Steven Henderson wrote:

> Is anybody familiar with using a Mac browser with assistive technologies?
>
>
>
> I'm finding it a nightmare to work with Safari in regards to Flash tabbing
> integration within html documents and wondered if there are any Mac users
> that could give their opinions on accessibility with regards to Mac
> browsers, especially with regards to using Flash within html documents.
>
>
>
> Steven
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: Steven Henderson
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:12AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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Thanks Carin.



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Sent: 24 May 2010 15:45
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Mac browser users of assistive technology

I have heard on the Mac Visionaries list the words "Flash is poison!" So I
don't think it works too well. You could ask that list and I'm sure you'd
get lots of info. It's a Google Group.

Wish I could be of more help though.

Carin
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From: "Steven Henderson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] Mac browser users of assistive technology


Is anybody familiar with using a Mac browser with assistive technologies?



I'm finding it a nightmare to work with Safari in regards to Flash tabbing
integration within html documents and wondered if there are any Mac users
that could give their opinions on accessibility with regards to Mac
browsers, especially with regards to using Flash within html documents.



Steven

From: John Foliot
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:42AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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> If there really is a lack of compatibility is this due to the
> reliance on MSAA on the windows platform that is preventing operation
> on the Mac?
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Steve Jobs


JF

From: Ro
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 10:57AM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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I'm a Mac user, but I'm not a programmer so your language kinda goes
over my head. Not sure if I can help, but just wanted to let you know
I'm a Voiceover user. I've never used Windows readers.

~Randi and Guide Dog Jayden

Its an adventure, said Fred.

On May 24, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Steven Henderson wrote:

> Is anybody familiar with using a Mac browser with assistive
> technologies?
>
>
>
> I'm finding it a nightmare to work with Safari in regards to Flash
> tabbing
> integration within html documents and wondered if there are any Mac
> users
> that could give their opinions on accessibility with regards to Mac
> browsers, especially with regards to using Flash within html
> documents.
>
>
>
> Steven
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Mon, May 24 2010 12:45PM
Subject: Re: Mac browser users of assistive technology
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Pratik is correct - we do not currently support the delivery of information via the OSX accessibility API in the Flash Player, but we announced at CSUN that we are going to add this support.

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe Systems

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http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility


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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:08 AM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Mac browser users of assistive technology

[Mike's Question]
Everett,
Does VoiceOver work with FireFox or Chrome on the Mac? And if so, does Flash
work with VoiceOver on either of those browsers? Have you confirmed that
VoiceOver and Safari do not work with Flash objects that have been designed
for accessibility.

P: Voiceover does not work completely with either Firefox or Chrome on the
Mac. Firefox access is being tested. I see updates from Mozilla reps from
time to time giving snippets of updates from time to time. Nothing firm has
been announced.

The last I heard, Chrome UI was using standard Coco components, which would
mean that it is accessible. But, this does not include the browsing part of
the UI itself. I have not been successful at browsing with Chrome on the
Mac and Voiceover. Google's public efforts have focused on MSAA
implementation and not UA implementation.

Finally, a question for Andrew or Bob if you are lurking around this
morning. If there really is a lack of compatibility is this due to the
reliance on MSAA on the windows platform that is preventing operation on the
Mac?

P: At Csun, Adobe announced that Flash accessibility for the Mac was being
improved whereby IAccessible 2 was going to be supported along with Apple's
UA. The primary reason for the lack of current support for Flash on the Mac
is this lack. Voiceover does not read flash objects at this time.

Regards,

Pratik