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From: Ritz, Courtney L. (GSFC-7500)
Date: Mon, Jun 07 2010 10:03AM
Subject: Trapped in Flash
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Greetings,
I'm dealing with two instances where developers have chosen to include Flash content on their pages. In one instance, there doesn't seem to be any controls within the Flash, just text; in the other instance, there are controls. In both instances, once I tab into the Flash, I can't navigate out; also, both pages contain HTML content as well as the Flash.
I'm currently using IE7 and JAWS 11.0.756. Is getting trapped within the Flash movie still unavoidable without the developers(s) rendering the movies themselves invisible, or is there another fix that I can suggest for making it possible to navigate the page Flash and all without getting stuck? In one instance, I know that the developer has provided links to HTML versions of the text content that could be accessed through the Flash, so at least the content is available that way.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Courtney
From: Evans, Donald (Contractor)
Date: Mon, Jun 07 2010 10:09AM
Subject: Re: Trapped in Flash
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Try wmode="window". wmode="transparent" and wmode="opaque" can interfere with tabbing.
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Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:05 AM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: [WebAIM] Trapped in Flash
Greetings,
I'm dealing with two instances where developers have chosen to include Flash content on their pages. In one instance, there doesn't seem to be any controls within the Flash, just text; in the other instance, there are controls. In both instances, once I tab into the Flash, I can't navigate out; also, both pages contain HTML content as well as the Flash.
I'm currently using IE7 and JAWS 11.0.756. Is getting trapped within the Flash movie still unavoidable without the developers(s) rendering the movies themselves invisible, or is there another fix that I can suggest for making it possible to navigate the page Flash and all without getting stuck? In one instance, I know that the developer has provided links to HTML versions of the text content that could be accessed through the Flash, so at least the content is available that way.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Courtney
From: Steven Henderson
Date: Mon, Jun 07 2010 10:57AM
Subject: Re: Trapped in Flash
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Hi Courtney,
Webcredible at http://www.webcredible.co.uk have the best and most reliable
cross-platform/cross-browser tabbing on their home page, with regards to
inline flash within (x)html documents. There is no documentation on it
however, but I am personally working on something myself having taken
their's apart. The big bonus, is that it is AS2 compliant which means it
degrades very well unlike other methods such as this one at
http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2009/04/firefox_focus_and_actual_links_
1.html which requires AS3
Steven
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Sent: 07 June 2010 16:05
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: [WebAIM] Trapped in Flash
Greetings,
I'm dealing with two instances where developers have chosen to include Flash
content on their pages. In one instance, there doesn't seem to be any
controls within the Flash, just text; in the other instance, there are
controls. In both instances, once I tab into the Flash, I can't navigate
out; also, both pages contain HTML content as well as the Flash.
I'm currently using IE7 and JAWS 11.0.756. Is getting trapped within the
Flash movie still unavoidable without the developers(s) rendering the movies
themselves invisible, or is there another fix that I can suggest for making
it possible to navigate the page Flash and all without getting stuck? In
one instance, I know that the developer has provided links to HTML versions
of the text content that could be accessed through the Flash, so at least
the content is available that way.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Courtney
From: Rothschild, Joseph T. (CDC/OD/OWCD) (CTR)
Date: Tue, Jun 08 2010 2:18PM
Subject: Re: Trapped in Flash
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My experience is that often components and 3rd party add-ins are often
the cause of flash trapping focus. In terms of setting the wmode to
transparent, I've run into situations where that effectively makes the
flash movie "hidden" to accessibility tools.
Thanks,
Joe
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Courtney L. (GSFC-7500)
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:05 AM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: [WebAIM] Trapped in Flash
Greetings,
I'm dealing with two instances where developers have chosen to include
Flash content on their pages. In one instance, there doesn't seem to be
any controls within the Flash, just text; in the other instance, there
are controls. In both instances, once I tab into the Flash, I can't
navigate out; also, both pages contain HTML content as well as the
Flash.
I'm currently using IE7 and JAWS 11.0.756. Is getting trapped within
the Flash movie still unavoidable without the developers(s) rendering
the movies themselves invisible, or is there another fix that I can
suggest for making it possible to navigate the page Flash and all
without getting stuck? In one instance, I know that the developer has
provided links to HTML versions of the text content that could be
accessed through the Flash, so at least the content is available that
way.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Courtney
From: Ritz, Courtney L. (GSFC-7500)
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 10:48AM
Subject: Re: Trapped in Flash
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Hi all,
thanks for the suggestions.
I'm curious though, as to whether this whole keyboard trap issue with some Flash jobects is specific to JAWS, or common among screen readers in general, or what.
The answer to that may help me determine whether the pages could be considered 508 compliant as long as the Flash content is made available another way such as via HTML. I don't want to ding someone if the problem is screen reader specific and not a real 508 or general accessibility problem. Personally, becoming stuck in the Flash object and having to refresh the page decreases the page's accessibility. but that's just my two cents. (grins)
thanks and sorry for the ramble.
Courtney
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 10:54AM
Subject: Re: Trapped in Flash
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Courtney,
There is an issue with Flash content and keyboard access that is often seen in Firefox, but since you're describing the problem in IE, it seems like you're experiencing something different than that.
It is possible that the flash content is trapping the focus and not releasing it to the content that follows. This is not a correct behavior, so the Flash developer needs to address that.
Thanks,
AWK
Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility
Adobe Systems
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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Trapped in Flash
Hi all,
thanks for the suggestions.
I'm curious though, as to whether this whole keyboard trap issue with some Flash jobects is specific to JAWS, or common among screen readers in general, or what.
The answer to that may help me determine whether the pages could be considered 508 compliant as long as the Flash content is made available another way such as via HTML. I don't want to ding someone if the problem is screen reader specific and not a real 508 or general accessibility problem. Personally, becoming stuck in the Flash object and having to refresh the page decreases the page's accessibility. but that's just my two cents. (grins)
thanks and sorry for the ramble.
Courtney
From: Steven Henderson
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 11:06AM
Subject: Re: Trapped in Flash
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Let us be clear. Flash content can be made 100% keyboard friendly, as the
Player and Plugin both support it. In a HTML document however, you are bound
by browsers (and in your case, third party assistive software) to work with
the Flash Plugin. Like HTML and CSS, browsers can barely agree on 100%
compatability so there is no perfect way ... that said, the webcredible link
I gave demonstrates how well it can actually be done (peeking at the code
however, there is quite a bit to get ones head around). Does it not work
with screen readers?
Steven
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Sent: 11 June 2010 16:50
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Trapped in Flash
Hi all,
thanks for the suggestions.
I'm curious though, as to whether this whole keyboard trap issue with some
Flash jobects is specific to JAWS, or common among screen readers in
general, or what.
The answer to that may help me determine whether the pages could be
considered 508 compliant as long as the Flash content is made available
another way such as via HTML. I don't want to ding someone if the problem
is screen reader specific and not a real 508 or general accessibility
problem. Personally, becoming stuck in the Flash object and having to
refresh the page decreases the page's accessibility. but that's just my two
cents. (grins)
thanks and sorry for the ramble.
Courtney