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From: Claire Forbes
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 1:50PM
Subject: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Hello everyone!
I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as NVDA reads through the document.
Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make it toggle along as it reads?
Thank you!
Claire
From: Dean.Vasile@outlook.com
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 1:53PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Does the document have any form controls?
And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page change?
Dean Vasile
617-799-1162
> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make it toggle along as it reads?
>
> Thank you!
> Claire
> > > >
From: Claire Forbes
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 1:58PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
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Does the document have any form controls?
And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page change?
Dean Vasile
617-799-1162
> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make it toggle along as it reads?
>
> Thank you!
> Claire
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>
From: Hayman, Douglass
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 2:11PM
Subject: Re: - NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Claire,
I think that is the normal flow for NVDA reading through a PDF. It assumes that you're listening to the document being read, not reading it with vision.
On trying an accessible PDF with 20 pages using Acrobat Reader just now with NVDA I clicked Insert+down arrow and it read to the bottom them kept on reading the next page content. If it was on a list item and I hit "I" for next list item or "h" to jump to the next heading it would go there and refresh the visible page that it was now on.
NVDA seems to do the same with my setup for web pages where it may show the visual highlight as it reads down the page but then will keep on reading to subsequent pages without the visual indicator being on the pages that follow.
Doug Hayman
IT Accessibility Coordinator
Information Technology
Olympic College
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Hello everyone!
I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as NVDA reads through the document.
Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make it toggle along as it reads?
Thank you!
Claire
From: Dean.Vasile@outlook.com
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 2:15PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
Dean Vasile
617-799-1162
> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
>
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>
> Does the document have any form controls?
> And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page change?
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone!
>> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as NVDA reads through the document.
>> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make it toggle along as it reads?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Claire
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> > > > > > > >
From: L Snider
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 2:19PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Are there headings or links in the document? Or is it plain text?
Cheers
Lisa
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:51â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as
> NVDA reads through the document.
> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make
> it toggle along as it reads?
>
> Thank you!
> Claire
> > > > >
From: Claire Forbes
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 2:32PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
Dean Vasile
617-799-1162
> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:54 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> Does the document have any form controls?
> And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page change?
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
>> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone!
>> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as NVDA reads through the document.
>> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make it toggle along as it reads?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Claire
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>
From: Laura Fathauer
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 2:45PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at
the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is
set at "only read the currently visible pages."
Laura
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>
> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
> >
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> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
> >
> > Does the document have any form controls?
> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
> change?
> > Dean Vasile
> >
> >
> > 617-799-1162
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone!
> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as
> NVDA reads through the document.
> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to
> make it toggle along as it reads?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Claire
> >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >
From: Claire Forbes
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 3:06PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Yes, it's set to "Read the entire document" and it does read the whole document successfully.
I just ran JAWS in 40-minute-mode and JAWS also read it while automatically changing pages as it reads. So now I'm even MORE curious about why NVDA won't to it, ha!
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is set at "only read the currently visible pages."
Laura
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:15 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>
> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
> >
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> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
> >
> > Does the document have any form controls?
> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
> change?
> > Dean Vasile
> >
> >
> > 617-799-1162
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone!
> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole
> >> document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover
> page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change
> >> to
> make it toggle along as it reads?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Claire
> >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
From: David Engebretson Jr.
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 3:29PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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What version of:
* Adobe Acrobat Reader
* JAWS
* NVDA
* and operating system
Are you using? The above information could help to pin down the problem.
Thanks,
David
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:07 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Yes, it's set to "Read the entire document" and it does read the whole document successfully.
I just ran JAWS in 40-minute-mode and JAWS also read it while automatically changing pages as it reads. So now I'm even MORE curious about why NVDA won't to it, ha!
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is set at "only read the currently visible pages."
Laura
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:15 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>
> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:54 PM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
> >
> > Does the document have any form controls?
> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
> change?
> > Dean Vasile
> >
> >
> > 617-799-1162
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone!
> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole
> >> document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover
> page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change
> >> to
> make it toggle along as it reads?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Claire
> >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
From: Claire Forbes
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 3:36PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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* Adobe Acrobat Reader - Adobe Acrobat DC
* JAWS - JAWS 2020
* NVDA - 2023.3 (I just updated today)
* and operating system - Windows 10
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
What version of:
* Adobe Acrobat Reader
* JAWS
* NVDA
* and operating system
Are you using? The above information could help to pin down the problem.
Thanks,
David
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:07 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Yes, it's set to "Read the entire document" and it does read the whole document successfully.
I just ran JAWS in 40-minute-mode and JAWS also read it while automatically changing pages as it reads. So now I'm even MORE curious about why NVDA won't to it, ha!
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is set at "only read the currently visible pages."
Laura
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:15 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>
> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:54 PM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
> >
> > Does the document have any form controls?
> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
> change?
> > Dean Vasile
> >
> >
> > 617-799-1162
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone!
> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole
> >> document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover
> page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change
> >> to
> make it toggle along as it reads?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Claire
> >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
From: David Engebretson Jr.
Date: Thu, Jan 04 2024 6:07PM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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What's the full version of Windows 10 you are using?
What's the full version of Acrobat Reader DC you are running? Is it 32 or 64 bit?
Why aren't you running JAWS 2024 if you are only running it in 40 minute mode?
Thanks,
David
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:36 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
* Adobe Acrobat Reader - Adobe Acrobat DC
* JAWS - JAWS 2020
* NVDA - 2023.3 (I just updated today)
* and operating system - Windows 10
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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of David Engebretson Jr.
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 5:29 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
What version of:
* Adobe Acrobat Reader
* JAWS
* NVDA
* and operating system
Are you using? The above information could help to pin down the problem.
Thanks,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Claire Forbes
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:07 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Yes, it's set to "Read the entire document" and it does read the whole document successfully.
I just ran JAWS in 40-minute-mode and JAWS also read it while automatically changing pages as it reads. So now I'm even MORE curious about why NVDA won't to it, ha!
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is set at "only read the currently visible pages."
Laura
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:15 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>
> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf
> > Of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:54 PM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
> >
> > Does the document have any form controls?
> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
> change?
> > Dean Vasile
> >
> >
> > 617-799-1162
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone!
> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole
> >> document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover
> page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change
> >> to
> make it toggle along as it reads?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Claire
> >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
From: Priti Rohra
Date: Fri, Jan 05 2024 4:13AM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Hi Claire,
In PDFs, the page scrolls visually for me with NVDA running. No matter
how I navigate, Arrow keys, Tab key, Quick navigation keys I can see
visually the page changes along with NVDA announcing the change in
page number as I navigate.
Being a low vision person myself, I always like to know on which page
I read a perticular piece of information the page and helps while
discussions and screen share with others. Please check your NVDA
settings. In the NVDA menu, go to Preferences>Settings - Vision. Here
select all the checkboxes in the Visual Highlight group. Save your
changes and this should hopefully help.
Best Regards,
Priti Rohra
On 1/5/24, David Engebretson Jr. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> What's the full version of Windows 10 you are using?
> What's the full version of Acrobat Reader DC you are running? Is it 32 or 64
> bit?
> Why aren't you running JAWS 2024 if you are only running it in 40 minute
> mode?
>
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Claire Forbes
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:36 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> * Adobe Acrobat Reader - Adobe Acrobat DC
> * JAWS - JAWS 2020
> * NVDA - 2023.3 (I just updated today)
> * and operating system - Windows 10
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of David
> Engebretson Jr.
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 5:29 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> What version of:
> * Adobe Acrobat Reader
> * JAWS
> * NVDA
> * and operating system
>
> Are you using? The above information could help to pin down the problem.
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Claire Forbes
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:07 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> Yes, it's set to "Read the entire document" and it does read the whole
> document successfully.
> I just ran JAWS in 40-minute-mode and JAWS also read it while automatically
> changing pages as it reads. So now I'm even MORE curious about why NVDA
> won't to it, ha!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura
> Fathauer
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:46 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at
> the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is
> set at "only read the currently visible pages."
>
> Laura
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
>> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:15 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>>
>> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>>
>> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
>> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
>> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
>> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>>
>> Dean Vasile
>>
>>
>> 617-799-1162
>>
>> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> >
>> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf
>> > Of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:54 PM
>> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>> >
>> > Does the document have any form controls?
>> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
>> change?
>> > Dean Vasile
>> >
>> >
>> > 617-799-1162
>> >
>> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello everyone!
>> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole
>> >> document is
>> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover
>> page, as NVDA reads through the document.
>> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change
>> >> to
>> make it toggle along as it reads?
>> >>
>> >> Thank you!
>> >> Claire
>> >> >> >> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >> >> > >> > >> > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> > >> > >> > >> > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> > >> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > > > >
From: Claire Forbes
Date: Fri, Jan 05 2024 5:38AM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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Windows 10 Pro - is what my Windows specifications tell me
Adobe Reader DC 32 bit
I honestly rarely use JAWS because I only have the trial version and it's inconvenient with my workflow, so I haven't taken the time to update the version. I just used it the double check this file.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 8:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
What's the full version of Windows 10 you are using?
What's the full version of Acrobat Reader DC you are running? Is it 32 or 64 bit?
Why aren't you running JAWS 2024 if you are only running it in 40 minute mode?
Thanks,
David
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:36 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
* Adobe Acrobat Reader - Adobe Acrobat DC
* JAWS - JAWS 2020
* NVDA - 2023.3 (I just updated today)
* and operating system - Windows 10
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 5:29 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
What version of:
* Adobe Acrobat Reader
* JAWS
* NVDA
* and operating system
Are you using? The above information could help to pin down the problem.
Thanks,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Claire Forbes
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:07 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Yes, it's set to "Read the entire document" and it does read the whole document successfully.
I just ran JAWS in 40-minute-mode and JAWS also read it while automatically changing pages as it reads. So now I'm even MORE curious about why NVDA won't to it, ha!
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is set at "only read the currently visible pages."
Laura
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:15 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>
> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf
> > Of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:54 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
> >
> > Does the document have any form controls?
> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
> change?
> > Dean Vasile
> >
> >
> > 617-799-1162
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone!
> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole
> >> document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover
> page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change
> >> to
> make it toggle along as it reads?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Claire
> >> > >> > >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >> > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
From: Karen McCall
Date: Fri, Jan 05 2024 6:31AM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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I've noticed this behaviour with JAWS as well and there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason as to which documents this happens on. Additionally, I've found that JAWS will suddenly, and randomly, start reading without advancing the pages. It doesn't matter how many pages are in the document or whether it has form controls or not.
It is PDF!
Cheers, Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Claire Forbes
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:51 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Hello everyone!
I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole document is read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover page, as NVDA reads through the document.
Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change to make it toggle along as it reads?
Thank you!
Claire
From: David Farough
Date: Fri, Jan 05 2024 9:57AM
Subject: Re: NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
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For what it is worth I was able to reproduce your findings with NVDA 2023.1
However I found that this only applied when using the NVDA key plus downarrow )Read all) functionality.
I found that the page scrolled normally when using the arrow keys and other navigation options.
I tried changing the page display options to enable scrolling but it made no difference.
I also tried adjusting the zoom level to fit height and fit width with no effect.
With NVDA it seems that using arrows and quick navigation keys is the best option.
Refer to the 6.1. Single Letter Navigation heading in the NVDA user manual for more details.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 7:38 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Windows 10 Pro - is what my Windows specifications tell me Adobe Reader DC 32 bit I honestly rarely use JAWS because I only have the trial version and it's inconvenient with my workflow, so I haven't taken the time to update the version. I just used it the double check this file.
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of David Engebretson Jr.
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 8:07 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
What's the full version of Windows 10 you are using?
What's the full version of Acrobat Reader DC you are running? Is it 32 or 64 bit?
Why aren't you running JAWS 2024 if you are only running it in 40 minute mode?
Thanks,
David
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:36 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
* Adobe Acrobat Reader - Adobe Acrobat DC
* JAWS - JAWS 2020
* NVDA - 2023.3 (I just updated today)
* and operating system - Windows 10
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 5:29 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
What version of:
* Adobe Acrobat Reader
* JAWS
* NVDA
* and operating system
Are you using? The above information could help to pin down the problem.
Thanks,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Claire Forbes
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 2:07 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Yes, it's set to "Read the entire document" and it does read the whole document successfully.
I just ran JAWS in 40-minute-mode and JAWS also read it while automatically changing pages as it reads. So now I'm even MORE curious about why NVDA won't to it, ha!
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Fathauer
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
Go to preferences for the adobe application, then "reading", then look at the "screen reader option" of "page vs. document" and look to see if it is set at "only read the currently visible pages."
Laura
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 4:32â¯PM Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The document is tagged properly and the reading order is solid. All
> content is read by NVDA, the page just doesn't change as it's read.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:15 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
>
> The following is ChatGPTâs opinion
>
> Hello Claire! It seems like the document may lack proper structure or
> navigation landmarks. You might want to check if headings and other
> structural elements are appropriately tagged in the PDF. This can help
> screen readers navigate through the document more effectively.
>
> Dean Vasile
>
>
> 617-799-1162
>
> > On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:58â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > No, it's just a document with a cover page and then content.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf
> > Of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 3:54 PM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NVDA screen reader_PDF reading
> >
> > Does the document have any form controls?
> > And if so, when you navigate to those form elements, does the page
> change?
> > Dean Vasile
> >
> >
> > 617-799-1162
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2024, at 3:51â¯PM, Claire Forbes < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone!
> >> I'm testing some PDFs with NVDA screen reader and the whole
> >> document is
> read by NVDA, but the page doesn't change, it remains on the cover
> page, as NVDA reads through the document.
> >> Is this considered non-compliant or is there a setting the change
> >> to
> make it toggle along as it reads?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Claire
> >> > >> > >> http://li/
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