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From: GILLENWATER, ZOE M
Date: Thu, Oct 25 2012 2:21PM
Subject: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Hi,
Does anyone know whether JAWS 14 has fixed the bug of aria-describedby content being read twice? See this page for a demo of this problem: http://wps.pearsoned.com/WAI_ARIA_Testing/221/56717/14519713.cw/index.html. I don't see this as being fixed in Freedom Scientific's list of enhancements, but I don't think their list is comprehensive (http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS14-previous-enhancements.asp). I'm not able to download version 14 right now to test it myself.
As a side note, does anyone know of a way to work around or avoid triggering this bug in JAWS 13?
Thanks,
Zoe
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From: Tony Olivero
Date: Thu, Oct 25 2012 2:30PM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Zoe,
I just tested with Firefox and IE. It appears to be fixed in 14. The extra
info only got read once.
Tony
From: Patterson, David K (ITD)
Date: Fri, Oct 26 2012 11:36AM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Hi,
No, I am using JAWS V14 and when I went to the test page that you mentioned, I got the same problem with JAWSS 14 reading the aria-described lines twice.
David
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From: Don Mauck
Date: Fri, Oct 26 2012 11:41AM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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I will report this as a bug, if it isn't already reported to the BETA testers bug database.
From: Sailesh Panchang
Date: Fri, Oct 26 2012 1:07PM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Not sure why on this test page:
i. a LABEL element is being used for aria-describedby association.
Both JAWS and NVDA have been supporting (in IE and FF) multiple
LABELS that point to same INPUT
i.e. both 'for' values points to one 'id' value.
ii. tabindex="-1" is set on descriptor of user name field.
Another irritation: For over 3 years I have experienced JAWS say "Use
JAWS key +R to read descriptive text" on any element that uses
aria-describedby with Firefox browser on XP and Windows 2007.
Anyone else see this?
I have reported it more than once to FS.
Using IE9, FF13 and JAWS 12/13:
aria-describedby value is read once only in (/ out of) forms mode on
this page or other similar instances.
Sailesh Panchang
On 10/26/12, Don Mauck < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I will report this as a bug, if it isn't already reported to the BETA
> testers bug database.
>
From: Don Mauck
Date: Fri, Oct 26 2012 1:27PM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Yes, I've seen the "use JawsKey plus R" in the exact scenario. This is because the current element has the describe by parameter as you note, that keystroke will get related text if it's there, however, I'd like the ability to turn that message off in quick settings.
From: Sailesh Panchang
Date: Fri, Oct 26 2012 1:46PM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Don,
I have never seen that key combination actually do anything with
aria-describedby. JAWS+R only helps to restrict JAWS cursor. The
describedby value is exposed without requiring any special keystroke.
Sailesh
On 10/26/12, Don Mauck < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Yes, I've seen the "use JawsKey plus R" in the exact scenario. This is
> because the current element has the describe by parameter as you note, that
> keystroke will get related text if it's there, however, I'd like the ability
> to turn that message off in quick settings.
>
From: David Farough
Date: Fri, Oct 26 2012 2:37PM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Hi Sailesh:
If you are trying to disable this message, this can be done from the
speech and sounds manager.
access settings centre from your browser,
select speech and sounds manager
Specify the speech and sound scheme,
activate the edit button,
Move to the html tab and select the described by item in the list,
you can then modified the settings and text to be spoken at this point
and then save the scheme.
I have rarely needed to use this feature, but had to recently. I think
this should be added to the quick settings functionality and perhaps in
the Site specific options as well.
David Farough
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From: Don Mauck
Date: Fri, Oct 26 2012 3:25PM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Sorry I meant to say JawsKey+alt+r, a typing error on my part.
From: GILLENWATER, ZOE M
Date: Mon, Oct 29 2012 2:02PM
Subject: Re: aria-describedby in JAWS 14
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Don, please do report this bug! Thanks!
I did more investigation into it and found that the real trigger of the bug is not putting the description text in something other than a <label>, as that initial page I linked to suggests, but rather it is not repeating the text of the label in its entirety at the start of the description text. Strange, eh? More info and demos here:
http://zomigi.com/test/aria-describedby_jaws13-bug.html
I'd love to hear from at least one other JAWS 14 user that this bug is still indeed in place, though...
Thanks,
Zoe
Zoe Gillenwater
Web Accessibility Technical Architect
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