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From: sucharu
Date: Mon, Dec 21 2015 10:27PM
Subject: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Hey All,

Good morning!

I want to learn about

1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
reader users.

2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element" accessible.

3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one go.

4. Looking for reply.

5. Thanks,

6. Sucharu

From: Shadi Abou-Zahra
Date: Tue, Dec 22 2015 1:43AM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Hello,

W3C/WAI maintains a list of web accessibility evaluation tools:
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/

Some tool vendors provide information about the accessibility of their
tools. You can find these tools -- currently only 6 tools -- by using
the filter option "Tools providing accessibility information" at the
very end of the filter options list.

Use the "Add your tool" button to provide information about tools that
you know about -- as a tool user or tool vendor.

Best,
Shadi


On 22.12.2015 06:27, sucharu wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Good morning!
>
> I want to learn about
>
> 1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
> reader users.
>
> 2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element" accessible.
>
> 3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one go.
>
> 4. Looking for reply.
>
> 5. Thanks,
>
> 6. Sucharu
>
> > > > >

--
Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Tue, Dec 22 2015 12:55PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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hello:
this is a vary in portent problem we are facing today we need to have
access to the tools our peers use to test as blind access professionals.
we are holding a meeting at CSUN on Thursday morning at 10 about this vary
topic. a few other blind professionals and my self are wanting to start
a community that can share tools tips and tricks for other blind users.
the listing for the event is called strike of the bats. and will be led by
my self and Birkir Gunnarsson this meeting will be to talk about how best
to share information and start creating a library of tools and lessons
for blind professionals to use in there #a11y work. Lucy

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hello,
>
> W3C/WAI maintains a list of web accessibility evaluation tools:
> - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/
>
> Some tool vendors provide information about the accessibility of their
> tools. You can find these tools -- currently only 6 tools -- by using the
> filter option "Tools providing accessibility information" at the very end
> of the filter options list.
>
> Use the "Add your tool" button to provide information about tools that you
> know about -- as a tool user or tool vendor.
>
> Best,
> Shadi
>
>
>
> On 22.12.2015 06:27, sucharu wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Good morning!
>>
>> I want to learn about
>>
>> 1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
>> reader users.
>>
>> 2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element" accessible.
>>
>> 3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one go.
>>
>> 4. Looking for reply.
>>
>> 5. Thanks,
>>
>> 6. Sucharu
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>>
> --
> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>
> > > > >



--
Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces

From: deborah.kaplan
Date: Wed, Dec 23 2015 3:52PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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This is a large problem with back office tools in general, in and out of the accessibility world. Within accessibility, there is a pervasive problem where as long as produced content is accessible, the tools to produce it can lack even basic accessibility.

This includes:

* PDF remediation tools
* Content creation
* Accessibility testing
* Creating subtitles
* Editing video and multimedia

This is particularly frustrating given how many accessibility professionals are disabled ourselves.

Lucy, I don't know if it would be appropriate at all for people with other disabilities to horn in on your nascent community, but we'd probably benefit from many of the same resources and lessons!

Deborah

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015, Lucy Greco wrote:

> hello:
> this is a vary in portent problem we are facing today we need to have
> access to the tools our peers use to test as blind access professionals.
> we are holding a meeting at CSUN on Thursday morning at 10 about this vary
> topic. a few other blind professionals and my self are wanting to start
> a community that can share tools tips and tricks for other blind users.
> the listing for the event is called strike of the bats. and will be led by
> my self and Birkir Gunnarsson this meeting will be to talk about how best
> to share information and start creating a library of tools and lessons
> for blind professionals to use in there #a11y work. Lucy
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> W3C/WAI maintains a list of web accessibility evaluation tools:
>> - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/
>>
>> Some tool vendors provide information about the accessibility of their
>> tools. You can find these tools -- currently only 6 tools -- by using the
>> filter option "Tools providing accessibility information" at the very end
>> of the filter options list.
>>
>> Use the "Add your tool" button to provide information about tools that you
>> know about -- as a tool user or tool vendor.
>>
>> Best,
>> Shadi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22.12.2015 06:27, sucharu wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> I want to learn about
>>>
>>> 1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
>>> reader users.
>>>
>>> 2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element" accessible.
>>>
>>> 3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one go.
>>>
>>> 4. Looking for reply.
>>>
>>> 5. Thanks,
>>>
>>> 6. Sucharu
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>
>> --
>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
>> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > > > --

From: Olaf Drümmer
Date: Wed, Dec 23 2015 4:46PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Hi Lucy,

from my personal experience and point of view the underlying issue is somehow reciprocal. As much as various tools that help establish or improve accessibility of content tend to not be accessible, for example assistive technology tends not to be accessible to those who do not have to rely on it. It took me personally a long time to begin to understand what it means (in the broadest sense) for someone to have to rely on content being accessible and on using assistive technology to actually access it and interact with it. Let's take a screen reader for example. One can get JAWS free of charge to play with, NVDA and VoiceOver are free. Nonetheless, they unsurprisingly target vision impaired users (nothing wrong with that), and require some training before they can be useful. But there is no guidance for non-disabled users to quickly at least get to the core features/functionality of the AT. What would be extremely useful are features that help a sighted user to understand what's going on while using AT (e.g. by highlighting on screen what is currently being presented by text to speech or the Braille display).

Just an idea what to add to the list of observations/topics to take into account.

Olaf



> On 22.12.2015, at 20:55, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> hello:
> this is a vary in portent problem we are facing today we need to have
> access to the tools our peers use to test as blind access professionals.
> we are holding a meeting at CSUN on Thursday morning at 10 about this vary
> topic. a few other blind professionals and my self are wanting to start
> a community that can share tools tips and tricks for other blind users.
> the listing for the event is called strike of the bats. and will be led by
> my self and Birkir Gunnarsson this meeting will be to talk about how best
> to share information and start creating a library of tools and lessons
> for blind professionals to use in there #a11y work. Lucy
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> W3C/WAI maintains a list of web accessibility evaluation tools:
>> - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/
>>
>> Some tool vendors provide information about the accessibility of their
>> tools. You can find these tools -- currently only 6 tools -- by using the
>> filter option "Tools providing accessibility information" at the very end
>> of the filter options list.
>>
>> Use the "Add your tool" button to provide information about tools that you
>> know about -- as a tool user or tool vendor.
>>
>> Best,
>> Shadi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22.12.2015 06:27, sucharu wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> I want to learn about
>>>
>>> 1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
>>> reader users.
>>>
>>> 2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element" accessible.
>>>
>>> 3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one go.
>>>
>>> 4. Looking for reply.
>>>
>>> 5. Thanks,
>>>
>>> 6. Sucharu
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>
>> --
>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
>> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > > >

From: deborah.kaplan
Date: Wed, Dec 23 2015 4:57PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Olaf,

Some of these features do exist.

> What would be extremely useful are features that help a sighted user to understand what's going on while using AT (e.g. by highlighting on screen what is currently being presented by text to speech or the Braille display).

In NVDA, for example, the speech viewer is hugely useful for sighted users (especially as understanding screne reader inflections is a learned process, and the free voices aren't that great for newbies). Additionally, there are add-ons such as "focus highlight," which highlights the currently focused text; it's not in the core, but it is easy to find and install to anyone willing to make a modicum of effort. There are well documented shortcuts which will report what a particular key combination would do.

VoiceOver's rotor appears visually on the screen, so a sighted user can easily flip through the possible options and see what can be discovered.

It takes some effort, but then, there's a paradigm shift for sighted users, which will take practice no matter what.

Deborah

From: Olaf Drümmer
Date: Wed, Dec 23 2015 5:26PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Hi Deborah,

I know all of that (by now).

Anyway - everyone feel free to consider the implications of what I am saying or disregard it altogether. On average I was much more motivated than the typical manager or developer, but still had my day job (which does not have its focus on accessibility). It might be that I am not the brightest kid on the block and took longer to get acquainted with available options. But my gut feeling is that 99% of managers and developers interested in principle (through intrinsic or extrinsic motivation….) will give up before they "get there". Feel free to blame them for their lack of commitment or their laziness or what else, but that will unfortunately not bring down the percentage.

Just my 2 cents…

Olaf

> On 24.12.2015, at 00:57, = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = wrote:
>
> Olaf,
>
> Some of these features do exist.
>
>> What would be extremely useful are features that help a sighted user to understand what's going on while using AT (e.g. by highlighting on screen what is currently being presented by text to speech or the Braille display).
>
> In NVDA, for example, the speech viewer is hugely useful for sighted users (especially as understanding screne reader inflections is a learned process, and the free voices aren't that great for newbies). Additionally, there are add-ons such as "focus highlight," which highlights the currently focused text; it's not in the core, but it is easy to find and install to anyone willing to make a modicum of effort. There are well documented shortcuts which will report what a particular key combination would do.
>
> VoiceOver's rotor appears visually on the screen, so a sighted user can easily flip through the possible options and see what can be discovered.
>
> It takes some effort, but then, there's a paradigm shift for sighted users, which will take practice no matter what.
>
> Deborah
> > > >

From: sucharu
Date: Mon, Jan 04 2016 9:13PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Dear all,
Wish you all a very happy new year.
Is there any progress in the matter?
Please do update.
Thanks.
Regards,
Sucharu

From: _mallory
Date: Tue, Jan 05 2016 1:37AM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Sorry for the spam, but I just love the group name: Strike of the Bats!

_mallory

On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:43:11AM +0530, sucharu wrote:
> Dear all,
> Wish you all a very happy new year.
> Is there any progress in the matter?
> Please do update.
> Thanks.
> Regards,
> Sucharu
>
>

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Tue, Jan 05 2016 5:36PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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Hello:
sorry it took me so long to answer this q. yes we want any one that is
interested in the problem to attend. as we think that the only way for some
of these problems to be solved is through working together with each other
and with the developers of the toolts to fix the inaccessibility lucy

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:52 PM, < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> This is a large problem with back office tools in general, in and out of
> the accessibility world. Within accessibility, there is a pervasive problem
> where as long as produced content is accessible, the tools to produce it
> can lack even basic accessibility.
>
> This includes:
>
> * PDF remediation tools
> * Content creation
> * Accessibility testing
> * Creating subtitles
> * Editing video and multimedia
>
> This is particularly frustrating given how many accessibility
> professionals are disabled ourselves.
>
> Lucy, I don't know if it would be appropriate at all for people with other
> disabilities to horn in on your nascent community, but we'd probably
> benefit from many of the same resources and lessons!
>
> Deborah
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015, Lucy Greco wrote:
>
> hello:
>> this is a vary in portent problem we are facing today we need to have
>> access to the tools our peers use to test as blind access professionals.
>> we are holding a meeting at CSUN on Thursday morning at 10 about this
>> vary
>> topic. a few other blind professionals and my self are wanting to start
>> a community that can share tools tips and tricks for other blind users.
>> the listing for the event is called strike of the bats. and will be led by
>> my self and Birkir Gunnarsson this meeting will be to talk about how best
>> to share information and start creating a library of tools and lessons
>> for blind professionals to use in there #a11y work. Lucy
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> W3C/WAI maintains a list of web accessibility evaluation tools:
>>> - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/
>>>
>>> Some tool vendors provide information about the accessibility of their
>>> tools. You can find these tools -- currently only 6 tools -- by using the
>>> filter option "Tools providing accessibility information" at the very end
>>> of the filter options list.
>>>
>>> Use the "Add your tool" button to provide information about tools that
>>> you
>>> know about -- as a tool user or tool vendor.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Shadi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.12.2015 06:27, sucharu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>>
>>>> Good morning!
>>>>
>>>> I want to learn about
>>>>
>>>> 1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
>>>> reader users.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element" accessible.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one
>>>> go.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Looking for reply.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> 6. Sucharu
>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>>> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
>>> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lucia Greco
>> Web Accessibility Evangelist
>> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>> >> >> >> >>
>
> --
> > > > >



--
Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces

From: Jonathan C. Cohn
Date: Sun, Jan 17 2016 5:09PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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I would be interested in your results. Currently, neither my company or my budget have a space for conferences . But I would love to be involved in the processs.


Jonathan Cohn

> On Dec 22, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> hello:
> this is a vary in portent problem we are facing today we need to have
> access to the tools our peers use to test as blind access professionals.
> we are holding a meeting at CSUN on Thursday morning at 10 about this vary
> topic. a few other blind professionals and my self are wanting to start
> a community that can share tools tips and tricks for other blind users.
> the listing for the event is called strike of the bats. and will be led by
> my self and Birkir Gunnarsson this meeting will be to talk about how best
> to share information and start creating a library of tools and lessons
> for blind professionals to use in there #a11y work. Lucy
>
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> W3C/WAI maintains a list of web accessibility evaluation tools:
>> - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/
>>
>> Some tool vendors provide information about the accessibility of their
>> tools. You can find these tools -- currently only 6 tools -- by using the
>> filter option "Tools providing accessibility information" at the very end
>> of the filter options list.
>>
>> Use the "Add your tool" button to provide information about tools that you
>> know about -- as a tool user or tool vendor.
>>
>> Best,
>> Shadi
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 22.12.2015 06:27, sucharu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> I want to learn about
>>>
>>> 1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
>>> reader users.
>>>
>>> 2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element" accessible.
>>>
>>> 3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one go.
>>>
>>> 4. Looking for reply.
>>>
>>> 5. Thanks,
>>>
>>> 6. Sucharu
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>
>> --
>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
>> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > > >

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Mon, Jan 18 2016 8:15PM
Subject: Re: accessibility of accessibility checking tools
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i will defanitly add your name to the list of intrested people

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces


On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> I would be interested in your results. Currently, neither my company or my
> budget have a space for conferences . But I would love to be involved in
> the processs.
>
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
> > On Dec 22, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > hello:
> > this is a vary in portent problem we are facing today we need to have
> > access to the tools our peers use to test as blind access
> professionals.
> > we are holding a meeting at CSUN on Thursday morning at 10 about this
> vary
> > topic. a few other blind professionals and my self are wanting to
> start
> > a community that can share tools tips and tricks for other blind users.
> > the listing for the event is called strike of the bats. and will be led
> by
> > my self and Birkir Gunnarsson this meeting will be to talk about how
> best
> > to share information and start creating a library of tools and lessons
> > for blind professionals to use in there #a11y work. Lucy
> >
> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> W3C/WAI maintains a list of web accessibility evaluation tools:
> >> - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/
> >>
> >> Some tool vendors provide information about the accessibility of their
> >> tools. You can find these tools -- currently only 6 tools -- by using
> the
> >> filter option "Tools providing accessibility information" at the very
> end
> >> of the filter options list.
> >>
> >> Use the "Add your tool" button to provide information about tools that
> you
> >> know about -- as a tool user or tool vendor.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Shadi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 22.12.2015 06:27, sucharu wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey All,
> >>>
> >>> Good morning!
> >>>
> >>> I want to learn about
> >>>
> >>> 1. Available accessibility evaluating tools accessible for screen
> >>> reader users.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Is there any work around to make "inspect element"
> accessible.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Is there some free tool that can check whole website at one
> go.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Looking for reply.
> >>>
> >>> 5. Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> 6. Sucharu
> >>>
> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
> >> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
> >> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lucia Greco
> > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > University of California, Berkeley
> > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > > > > > > > > > > > >