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From: Bryan Garaventa
Date: Sep 8, 2014 5:05PM

Actually, that's what I did, and this is the result.

Though to be fair, at the beginning of the original email I sent to the WAI group, I said that this was "sort of a thought experiment", which I hoped would clue people in.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2014JulSep/0041.html


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From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Ryan E. Benson
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] two worthwhile reads

If it is a thought experiment, shouldn't you purposely leave out details to see what people's reactions would be?

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Ryan E. Benson

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Bryan Garaventa < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> I understand what you mean, but the intent isn't to confuse anybody,
> but to prove a conceptual point; this being that only a total lack of
> information is 100% accessible to all people equally, and that all web
> accessibility must as a result scale downwards from that absolute point.
> Since the page has no practical purpose at all, and provides nothing
> to anybody, everybody receives the same amount of information, and it
> is thus compliant with all standards because no population receives
> any more information than any other, making it equally accessible to all.
>
> As I've said, it's just a thought experiment to prove the point.
>
> If you personally were going to try and represent this concept to
> people using a web page, keeping in mind that it is a thought
> experiment so you can't explain all of this in advance, how would you
> set up the page to show this?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Ryan E. Benson
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:28 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] two worthwhile reads
>
> Not sure where to jump in. When Bryan posted this, I disagreed with
> him with this test being accessible to all. Here's why : My parents
> have a poor internet connection, their computer is decent. Sites like
> Facebook can take a minute plus to load. So clicking on this link, and
> getting a blank page is nothing new. But won't they see the wheel not
> spinning? Nope, tried explaining that to my mom before, got no where.
> I would give her about 5 minutes before just giving up, with the assumption of her net being dumb.
> Would that be considered accessible? I'd say no, because some would
> know the page is supposed to be blank, and others wouldn't. Wouldn't
> this be a violation of a core WCAG Principle?
>
> Another example is a person who came into my workplace who'd at times
> get visibly upset at times when a page take a while to load. I won't
> say his disability, but he would then analyze why somebody would put
> up a blank page online. After a while he may get the joke.
>
>
> --
> Ryan E. Benson
>
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > "do web accessibility professionals have a sense of humour?"
> >
> > It appears not.
> >
> > Sad, really.
> >
> > Denis Boudreau recently asked "A question for y'all this morning:
> > why do you think people feel that web accessibility is so hard?"
> > (https://twitter.com/dboudreau/status/508275085942464512)
> >
> > Here's why I think it is so hard: because accessibility people
> > expect perfection and they're so willing to name and shame people
> > who aren't perfect. Accessibility people are constantly fighting
> > among each other and looking for stuff to complain about.
> >
> > Bryan tried posting something humorous. Yeah, it was off-topic for
> > the mailing list, but who cares? I'd rather see humor on WAI-IG
> > than another idiotic debate about whether everything needs to work
> > on Lynx or not.
> >
> > People need to stop looking around every corner for the next thing
> > that offends them and start looking for real, tangible, impactful
> > ways to advance accessibility into the mainstream.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jennison Mark Asuncion
> > < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Once again, WebAIM has done great work and has published salary
> > > and other useful insights into working in digital accessibility.
> > > Results of their summer survey are here
> > > http://webaim.org/projects/practitionersurvey/
> > >
> > > I also came across this piece and thought I'd share it. The '100%
> > > accessible website' joke--do web accessibility professionals have
> > > a sense of humour?
> > >
> > http://www.accessiq.org/news/w3c-column/2014/09/the-100-accessible-w
> > eb site-joke-do-web-accessibility-professionals-have-a
> > >
> > > Jennison
> > > > > > > > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Karl Groves
> > www.karlgroves.com
> > @karlgroves
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
> > Phone: +1 410.541.6829
> >
> > Modern Web Toolsets and Accessibility
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uq6Db47-Ks
> >
> > www.tenon.io
> > > > > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >
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