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Re: WC3 Example #1 of tagging acronym expansion text yields a yellow warning on the PAC checker.

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From: Laura Roberts
Date: Dec 16, 2023 7:38AM

Yeah ignore that heading level 2. I was taking a screenshot of the tag I'd
pulled it of the container. The original one has the correct span tag there

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 8:01 AM Philip Kiff < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> In the last of the sample images you sent, the Object Properties shows
> that the Span tag has a Structure Tag of Heading Level 2. In my test
> file, my Span tag has a Structure Tag of Span. The parent Heading 2
> container has a structure tag of Heading 2.
>
> I think PAC is flagging it in your case because your Span for some
> reason has a structural container value of Heading 2, and that means
> that you actually have a Heading 2 structure nested inside another
> Heading 2 structure, instead of a Span inside a Heading 2. I'm not 100%
> sure how that got configured that way, or why yours ends up like that
> but my sample doesn't in either PAC 2021 or PAC 2024.
>
> Attaching two screenshots from my sample showing the tag structure on
> mine. One shows the Object Properties and Accessibility Tags tree while
> the other shows how the containers appear in the Content sidebar. The
> Object Properties of the Span container in the WC3 example also show a
> Structure Tag of Span even while the tag is nested in their case inside
> an LBody.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2023-12-15 11:15 p.m., Laura Roberts wrote:
> > Bevi - I am using the 2021 PAC checker - I'll try the 2024 tomorrow when
> I
> > get a chance.
> >
> > Phil, that's exactly what I did and I get the yellow warning. The odd
> thing
> > is that if I just tag the acronym as a paragraph, then pull the word out
> of
> > the paragraph tag and put it in with the original - I get no yellow
> warning
> > and the screen readers still read the expansion text.
> >
> > I'm very familiar with the Placement/Block issue of inline objects, but
> > when it comes to span tags, it doesn't matter whether I add placement
> block
> > to the attribute or not, I get the same error regardless.
> >
> > Error with Placement/Block added to attributes:
> >
> > [image: image.png]
> >
> > Sample with span (doesn't matter whether it's inside a heading tag or a P
> > tag.
> > [image: image.png]
> >
> > Sample of hack that gives no error and JAWS/NVDA still reads expansion
> text:
> > [image: image.png]
> >
> > Expansion Text (in case anyone is wondering)
> > [image: image.png]
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 5:02 PM Philip Kiff< <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> >> I just did a quick test on a sample doc and was able to add expansion
> >> text to a Span tag and then pass PAC 2021 and PAC 2024 cleanly. So I'm
> >> not sure that the example or the PAC 2024 are wrong.
> >>
> >> Though the W3C instructions for creating a new Span tag didn't work for
> >> me using Acrobat Pro DC: I created the Span tag by using the "Reading
> >> Order" tool, selecting the text, marking it as a Paragraph, and then
> >> manually editing the tag properties and changing it from Paragraph to
> >> Span using the "Accessibility Tags" panel. THEN I added the Expansion
> >> Text in the Content tab of the Object Properties.
> >>
> >> The error message you quote often pops up when there is an issue with
> >> the "Placement" attribute of a tag: especially when an "inline" tag is
> >> placed at the root level, or when a "block" tag is placed within another
> >> "block" tag incorrectly. Normally a Span tag has an "inline" placement
> >> and it must be nested within a tag/container with a "block" placement. I
> >> wonder if somehow your Span tag has the wrong placement attribute?
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >> On 2023-12-15 3:00 p.m., Laura Roberts wrote:
> >>> From WC3 on tagging acronyms:
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Techniques/pdf/PDF8.html#:~:text=In%20a%20tagged%20PDF%20document,create%20a%20new%20Span%20tag
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> Example #1 of tagging acronym expansion text yields a yellow warning on
> >> the
> >>> PAC checker.
> >>> The warning is: Possibly inappropriate of a span structure element.
> >>>
> >>> If you don't use the span tag at all for the word, then the screen
> >> readers
> >>> read the expansion text just fine and you get no PAC errors.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone have some insight into this?
> >>>
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