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Re: WC3 Example #1 of tagging acronym expansion text yields a yellow warning on the PAC checker.

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From: Philip Kiff
Date: Dec 16, 2023 8:03AM

Oh drats, I had hoped we'd narrowed the issue down. It's a bit of a
mystery to me, too, then. As Bevi says, maybe folks working on the PAC
will have an idea why it's still being flagged in the test.

Phil.

On 2023-12-16 9:38 a.m., Laura Roberts wrote:
> Yeah ignore that heading level 2. I was taking a screenshot of the tag I'd
> pulled it of the container. The original one has the correct span tag there
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 8:01 AM Philip Kiff< <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> In the last of the sample images you sent, the Object Properties shows
>> that the Span tag has a Structure Tag of Heading Level 2. In my test
>> file, my Span tag has a Structure Tag of Span. The parent Heading 2
>> container has a structure tag of Heading 2.
>>
>> I think PAC is flagging it in your case because your Span for some
>> reason has a structural container value of Heading 2, and that means
>> that you actually have a Heading 2 structure nested inside another
>> Heading 2 structure, instead of a Span inside a Heading 2. I'm not 100%
>> sure how that got configured that way, or why yours ends up like that
>> but my sample doesn't in either PAC 2021 or PAC 2024.
>>
>> Attaching two screenshots from my sample showing the tag structure on
>> mine. One shows the Object Properties and Accessibility Tags tree while
>> the other shows how the containers appear in the Content sidebar. The
>> Object Properties of the Span container in the WC3 example also show a
>> Structure Tag of Span even while the tag is nested in their case inside
>> an LBody.
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>> On 2023-12-15 11:15 p.m., Laura Roberts wrote:
>>> Bevi - I am using the 2021 PAC checker - I'll try the 2024 tomorrow when
>> I
>>> get a chance.
>>>
>>> Phil, that's exactly what I did and I get the yellow warning. The odd
>> thing
>>> is that if I just tag the acronym as a paragraph, then pull the word out
>> of
>>> the paragraph tag and put it in with the original - I get no yellow
>> warning
>>> and the screen readers still read the expansion text.
>>>
>>> I'm very familiar with the Placement/Block issue of inline objects, but
>>> when it comes to span tags, it doesn't matter whether I add placement
>> block
>>> to the attribute or not, I get the same error regardless.
>>>
>>> Error with Placement/Block added to attributes:
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Sample with span (doesn't matter whether it's inside a heading tag or a P
>>> tag.
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Sample of hack that gives no error and JAWS/NVDA still reads expansion
>> text:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Expansion Text (in case anyone is wondering)
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 5:02 PM Philip Kiff< <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just did a quick test on a sample doc and was able to add expansion
>>>> text to a Span tag and then pass PAC 2021 and PAC 2024 cleanly. So I'm
>>>> not sure that the example or the PAC 2024 are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Though the W3C instructions for creating a new Span tag didn't work for
>>>> me using Acrobat Pro DC: I created the Span tag by using the "Reading
>>>> Order" tool, selecting the text, marking it as a Paragraph, and then
>>>> manually editing the tag properties and changing it from Paragraph to
>>>> Span using the "Accessibility Tags" panel. THEN I added the Expansion
>>>> Text in the Content tab of the Object Properties.
>>>>
>>>> The error message you quote often pops up when there is an issue with
>>>> the "Placement" attribute of a tag: especially when an "inline" tag is
>>>> placed at the root level, or when a "block" tag is placed within another
>>>> "block" tag incorrectly. Normally a Span tag has an "inline" placement
>>>> and it must be nested within a tag/container with a "block" placement. I
>>>> wonder if somehow your Span tag has the wrong placement attribute?
>>>>
>>>> Phil.
>>>>
>>>> On 2023-12-15 3:00 p.m., Laura Roberts wrote:
>>>>> From WC3 on tagging acronyms:
>>>>>
>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Techniques/pdf/PDF8.html#:~:text=In%20a%20tagged%20PDF%20document,create%20a%20new%20Span%20tag
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Example #1 of tagging acronym expansion text yields a yellow warning on
>>>> the
>>>>> PAC checker.
>>>>> The warning is: Possibly inappropriate of a span structure element.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't use the span tag at all for the word, then the screen
>>>> readers
>>>>> read the expansion text just fine and you get no PAC errors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have some insight into this?