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Re: Pipe characters and screen readers (form field redux)


From: Karlen Communications
Date: Dec 5, 2008 12:00PM

Remember that people using TTS who have learning or cognitive disabilities
also use auditory feedback for form controls. And that some natural phoneme
synthesizer have problems with "symbols" and often just ignore them.

"Star" may not be as obvious whereas there would be no doubt with the word

I use a screen reader and personally prefer the word required in a field
because I then know I haven't read things too quickly. I also seldom read an
entire form so having "required" in the form control itself saves me time.

I think we have to remember that it is not only for screen readers that we
are doing this.

Cheers, Karen

-----Original Message-----
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Moore, Michael
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:32 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Pipe characters and screenreaders (form field redux)

JAWS would say "Fields marked with a star are required" Then in the
form, "star same, star email address" Most users of screen readers are
comfortable with this approach. The most frequent error is that the
asterisk is placed outside of the label element, or the label element is
excluded entirely. These omissions cause real accessibility issues.


-----Original Message-----
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Dean Hamack
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:22 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Pipe characters and screenreaders (form field

So I was lying awake last night, and something occurred to me regarding
discussion we had recently about required fields in forms. I'm assuming
along these same lines, the screenreader reads "asterisk" when it
the * character, correct?

If that's the case, someone filling out a form using asterisk characters
delineate required form fields would hear the following:

"fields marked with an asterisk are required."

asterisk name, asterisk email address"


How is that not accessible? Maybe I missed something from that
but this seems like it would be crystal clear to me if I heard it.

On 12/3/08 11:05 PM, "Peter Krantz" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Jaws (at least in older versions) outputs "Vertical bar". For some
> other characters see/listen here:
> http://www.standards-schmandards.com/2004/title-text-separators/
> (That article is old by now, but most characters should be output in
> the same way).