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From: Steve Vosloo
Date: Aug 12, 2002 12:33PM

So would you not use the <LABEL> tag then?

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Thatcher [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: 07 August 2002 07:12 PM
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Subject: RE: column headings, labels, form elements


Steve, I think the title attribute on the input element is better than
using the hidden label on an invisible gif.

Jim Thatcher
Accessibility Consulting
http://jimthatcher.com
512-306-0931

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Vosloo [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:05 AM
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Subject: RE: column headings, labels, form elements


A potential workaround might be to place an invisible 1x1 pixel GIF
directly before the FORM field and place a <LABEL> Tag around that?

Steve




-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Foster [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: 06 August 2002 06:25 PM
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Subject: Re: column headings, labels, form elements


Related to this question, I have also been wondering about form labels
for forms in tables, e.g. where the column header really serves as the
form label for all the forms in that column. This conflicts with the
HTML rules that say one label goes with one form element only. I tried
ignoring this and using the column header/label for all the fields in
that column because maybe this is better for accessibility? But does
this violate SEction 508 form criteria because the label/header is not
adjacent to the elements, or does a header count as being adjacent?

The complex form we were working with is at
http://www.umass-i495.net/registration/regform.cfm

Thanks,
Carol

P.S. Also related (in my mind at least) are questions about repeating
the same link text for links that go to different places when the links
are tabularized. The example I have in mind here is for campus links
for different Student Services at http://www.umassonline.net/services/.
I know this violates the WAI Priority 2 link text checkpoint; how would
others handle this? One possibility is the title field.


"Lori K. Brown" wrote:

> Dear WebAIM:
>
> I work on a web-based collaboration software product called SiteScape
> Forum. We are attempting to make the HTML that our product renders
> standards compliant and accessible in the coming version.
>
> In a number of instances we list entries in a table, and the first few

> columns of data include a checkbox that users can click to select the
> item for deletion. Currently, the column that contains that checkbox
> does not have any heading text above it, and there's really no logical

> (at least to us) space available in the table to render a label for
> each instance of the checkbox. Repetitive labeling ('this is the
> deletion
> checkbox') seems pretty pointless, and a waste of screen real estate.
>
> My questions:
>
> 1) Does every column of a data table HAVE to have some kind of text
> heading? I understand that column headings should be associated with
> the data they label, but do I in fact need to supply headings in the
> first place? (I think it's common sense, but we cannot come to
> agreement on this in my dept.)
>
> 2) Can I solve this problem by using a title attribute on the checkbox

> to label it for text reader users, since the purpose of the check box
> is readily apparent to sighted users?
>
> To make it easier to tell what the heck I'm talking about, I have
> uploaded a screen capture of the table I am talking about at:
> http://www.sitescape.com/other/tableslabels.gif
>
> The columns that do have headings above them are associated with their

> appropriate data with the tag scope="blah", as appropriate.
>
> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
>
> Lori K. Brown
> User Interface Engineer
> SiteScape, Inc.
>
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