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Re: Interesting effect with CSS

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From: Ryan Hemphill
Date: Jan 9, 2012 12:15PM

No, what I mean is that the content is somehow being scraped by JAWS and
then dumped afterwards. It isn't necessarily the DOM at all and I suspect
it isn't. While I can't much without doubt, I am absolutely certain that
it is being somehow brought into the virtual buffer BEFORE it is deleted.

Also, take into account that you are able to copy/paste the :before/:after
text by normal mouse highlighting means. I haven't tried doing this
through JAWS but I imagine there might be some fascinating results if
someone is interested in pursuing it.

My guess is that they are pulling all the CSS so they can keep it in mind
for future releases and deleting/ignoring everything that isn't currently
important. Other than that fact, I know as much as the rest of you.

Wouldn't it be interesting if JAWS had it's own 'virtual browser'? And if
that were the case, would be it using things like webkit? Hmmm. It would
certainly explain some of the bugs I have seen from time to time.

Food for thought.




On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Bryan Garaventa <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Thanks, when you say deleted, is it briefly showing up in the DOM? I've
> wondered how CSS renders content without actually changing the DOM, do you
> know how this is done?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Hemphill" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Interesting effect with CSS
>
>
> > I've run some tests on that. It's inconsistent at best and can also
> > interfere with the formatting in some cases because it is deleted (at
> > least
> > it appears) AFTER added to JAWS' virtual buffer.
> >
> > That's my 2 cents.
> >
> > Ryan
> > On Jan 7, 2012 9:29 PM, "Bryan Garaventa" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I came a cross this the other day.
> >>
> >> For a while I thought that using the CSS technique :after or :before
> >> would
> >> be useful for displaying content visually but hiding it from screen
> >> readers, such as adding a graphical arrow or plus/minus sign on a menu
> or
> >> similar like so:
> >>
> >> li.treeitem:after {
> >> content: '+';
> >> }
> >>
> >> Which is invisible in IE using JAWS and NVDA. However this actually is
> >> visible in both JAWS and NVDA using Firefox.
> >>
> >> No idea if this is helpful or not, but I thought it was interesting.
> >>
> >> Bryan
> >>