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From: John Foliot - bytown internet
Date: Sep 2, 2002 11:13AM

Steve:

<h1 title="Our Officiants"><a name="content" tabindex="9"><img
src="images/officiants.gif" width="450" height="66" border="0" alt="Our
Officiants"></a></h1>
(www.ottawaweddings.ca/officiants.shtml)

Works great in both the big 3 (IE, NN, Opera) as well as Lynx, IBM HPR, etc.
and validates to HTML 4.01 Trans. Sometimes it's not just a cost factor...
in this case the client was adamant about styling... it is the real world
after all. This delivers both.

JF

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Vosloo [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: September 2, 2002 2:44 AM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: <h> around images
>
>
> Tom, I'm changing the thread to ask you about <h1><img src="logo.png"
> alt="My Company" /></h1> ...
>
> Is it alright to do this? A client of mine has a site where every page
> title is a GIF ... I told them to rather change it to HTML text using an
> <h1> header. Could I have told them to simply put <h1> tags around the
> image?
>
> Because of the resizing of text factor I think HTML text is a better
> long term solution ... But on a tight budget it'd be better for them to
> use <h1>'s around an image than ignore the problem completely.
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Gilder [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> > Sent: 30 August 2002 09:26 PM
> > To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > Subject: Re: Sample Sites
> >
> >
> > On Friday, August 30, 2002, 7:26:08 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > http://1stpc.org
> > > > The site is great. I viewed it without style sheets and
> > noticed that
> > > > when linearized the page content comes first and then the
> > left hand
> > > > links. Is this intentional -- I normally do it the other
> > way around.
> > >
> > > 1) lynx and screen readers: If you have used lynx a lot
> > (and I have,
> > > it was my primary browser for some time) you know how awful it is
> > > trying to get to the 'meat' of a page because there's
> > usually so much
> > > fluff before it -- OR you get the same navigation menus
> > over and over
> > > again on each page, which gets annoying fast
> >
> > However, what if you *want* to get to the navigation quickly
> > using a screenreader? In that case, you have to listen to the
> > entire page content beforehand.
> >
> > In my opinion it makes more sense (visually, at least) to
> > have navigation before content - and then provide a "skip
> > navigation" link. You could also solve this problem with a
> > "jump to navigation" link near the start of the document.
> >
> > This is a bit of an accessibility hack, and I feel future
> > versions of XHTML need to allow authors a standard way to
> > label what is content and what is navigation, to allow
> > screenreader users to quickly navigate between the two (I put some
> thoughts on that issue up at > <http://tom.me.uk/2002/8/dividing->;
> pages.html>).
> >
> > > 2) Google
> > loves me. I'm not sure why, I
> > haven't done anything special
> > > at all to appeal to them, but my site (www.tntluoma.com) is
> > near the
> > > top of a number of keyword searches.
> >
> > Google tends to rate pages higher if the content is nearer
> > the beginning of the document. It also pays attention to
> > headers (I do hope this won't lead to
> > <body><h1>...</h1></body> to try and get better search engine
> > ranking though).
> >
> > > My guess is that if we (folks who care about accessibility and
> > > standards) could show others (who don't know or don't care)
> > how much
> > > improvement they would have in search engine placement by following
> > > standards, they'd probably listen more.
> >
> > When I have tried to explain to people in the past why
> > something like <h1><img src="logo.png" alt="My Company"
> > /></h1> makes sense, they often haven't cared much until I've
> > gone "oh, and it might well increase your Google ranking too".
> >
> > If you can come up with a benefit of accessibility that
> > marketing people speak, then they are far more likely to listen :)
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Tom Gilder
> > http://tom.me.uk/
> >
> >
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