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Re: Is use of <label> and title redundant?

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From: Patrick Dunphy
Date: Nov 12, 2012 3:06PM

Thank you Sailesh for clarifying.. Zoomtext isn't something I've worked
with so I feel better having read your response. The instances where I
prefer to use the off screen technique isn't for duplication rather to give
more context when appropriate.

Thanks again - I appreciate the response.
On Nov 12, 2012 3:22 PM, "Sailesh Panchang" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> Patrick,
> Screen magnification s/w like Zoomtext expose / speak off-screen text
> labels.
> Simply using the OS' / browser's features to magnify will not expose
> off-screen labels.
> Off-screen technique should be used only where necessary;
> Inappropriate / over usage results in duplication and may not be
> available to magnification users in some situations.
> Sailesh
>
>
> On 11/10/12, Patrick Dunphy < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > I practice that there are usually only 2 instances where I consider
> > acceptable use of title attributes. First being for Iframe usage & the
> > second would be as you mentioned - form controls such as a site's global
> > search.
> >
> > Can you please clarify something you've said? How is an off screen label
> > available for magnification users? I wouldn't have thought that to be the
> > case. Also curious to hear your thoughts about this being applicable to
> > other off screen text usages - making text links understood out of
> context &
> > indicating position within a section nav.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > -PD
> >
> >
> > On 2012-11-10, at 7:53 PM, Sailesh Panchang < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> As per WCAG2 techniques, title on form controls should be used when
> >> visible label is not present ... i.e. when purpose of form control is
> >> obvious generally to sighted users / as per UI design.
> >> (If purpose is not obvious visually, then the fix is to incorporate a
> >> visual text label for the benefit of all users).
> >>
> >> Using title in these situations mainly to convey purpose of control to
> >> non-sighted users is well supported by browsers and AT, both recent
> >> and legacy ones.
> >> Title is also available via mouseover to some sighted users who might
> >> need them.
> >> I do not recommend using off-screen label: it is more work and code
> >> and not available to anyone except screen reader / magnification users
> >> unless CSS is turned off.
> >> Sailesh Panchang
> >> Deque Systems
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/9/12, Michael R. Burks < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >>> I would like to add that we should code to the standards, not to a
> >>> specific
> >>> type of Assistive Technology.
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>> Mike Burks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>