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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Feb 12, 2014 4:28PM

Can you add at least the first one or a count of how many there is to the
page title so the screen reader reads that as the page loads

Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


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[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan
- FSA, Kansas City, MO
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:12 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] ARIA and Label tags both for Error Messages

Hi Listers,

I am coding Java Server pages to make them Section 508 compliant. I would
like the application to behave in the following manner:

The page is a form and after the user fills in the form the submit button
is pushed. When I tested this application I found the errors were placed
at the top of the page and to cause JAWS to tell them to me I have to go
to the top of the page and hit "h" to go to the first heading. The sighted
person likes this just fine because it is easy to look at the top of the
page.

Susie Stanzel

What I would prefer is for the page to simply tell me the error. For those
of you who might not know, a Java Server Page (JSP) is converted into
actual html.

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[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Susan Grossman
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:16 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] ARIA and Label tags both for Error Messages

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Hewitt,Susan (DSHS) <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Do you mean you would include the error information within the label
tag?
> (Obviously you wouldn't to drop them completely.)
>


It's returning with an error state and we would:
1) append the error message to the label text in the existing label
tag since the specification states one label to one form element
2) prepend an on-screen icon with alt text as error conditioner
identifier
3) probably make the text red
4) They also want ARIA, though it looks like a consensus that we
should push back on having both


>
> I agree with Yucca that this doesn't seem very semantic although I
> think the case could be made that it's not forbidden. W3C spec says:
> "The LABEL element may be used to attach information to controls." I
> think that gives license to include error information within <label>
> (after all, it's commonly used to provide formatting info and required
> status after all.) I also don't think it's inappropriate to use
> aria-describedby in this situation. But I would not use both methods.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Susan Grossman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:48 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] ARIA and Label tags both for Error Messages
>
> We have been associating error messages to form fields using
> aria-describedby, and the screen reader users who tested it thought it
> worked well for them.
>
> We have gotten some push back from a federal agency saying that no
> ARIA is supported well enough to rely on and that we must you both
> aria and label tags to associate the error messages.
>
> My questions:
>
> 1) Do others agree that even aria-describedby (no Live Regions, etc.)
> isn't supported enough to stand on it's own
>
> 2) Would the redundancy caused by both label tags and aria become too
> much to hear for those who can utilize ARIA?
>
> 3) If yes to 1 and 2, does that leave us with just implementing the
> association with label tags, or is there something else we should be
> considering?
>
> Understand that we can still keep things like aria-required (or similar)
> because they're a progressive enhancement - asterisk or (optional) is
> still there in the form element label.
>
> Any help is appreciated - couldn't quite find this discussion in
> archives
>
>
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