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From: Jared Smith
Date: Aug 13, 2014 6:49PM

Andrew -

Thank you to you and the working group for considering this question.
It's clear it was thoroughly considered and well documented. I'm glad
to see such great progress being made on providing these needed
updates and clarifications. Assigning the advisory techniques to the
Predictable guideline instead being misaligned to a success criteria
allows it to inform the concept without muddying the waters and
resulting is misunderstanding of the success criteria.

Cheers,

Jared



On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> The WCAG WG discussed this issue on the call today and provided a response to Karl's comment. See the response at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2014Aug/0010.html
>
> Hope this helps,
> AWK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Karl Groves
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:01 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Links opening in new windows
>
> For anyone interested in this topic, it has been well discussed over at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014JulSep/thread.html#msg14
>
> Thanks to Steve Faulkner for pointing it out
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> WCAG SC 3.2.2 says: "On Input: Changing the setting of any user
>> interface component does not automatically cause a change of context
>> unless the user has been advised of the behavior before using the component."
>>
>> Change of context specifically includes opening new windows[1] A user
>> interface component is defined as "a part of the content that is
>> perceived by users as a single control for a distinct function"[2]
>>
>> The WCAG documentation for Understanding SC 3.2.2[3]contradicts other
>> information by saying "Note: This Success Criterion covers changes in
>> context due to changing the setting of a control. Clicking on links or
>> tabs in a tab control is activating the control, not changing the
>> setting of that control."
>>
>> and yet WCAC Advisory Technique G201 is titled "Giving users advanced
>> warning when opening a new window", and demonstrates two approaches
>> for providing this warning on a link.[4]
>>
>> Similar techniques include H83, SCR24, and G200. In all cases, the
>> technique discusses the disorientation caused by changing context
>> unpredictably. However, there are no failure techniques listed for
>> *not* declaring that a new window is opened.
>>
>> Questions:
>> Do you think 3.2.2 includes links?
>> Do you think the warning(s) must be provided, as is the case in G201?
>>
>>
>> 1 - http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#context-changedef
>> 2 -
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#user-interface-componen
>> tdef
>> 3 -
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/consistent-behavior-unpredic
>> table-change.html
>> 4 - http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140408/G201
>> --
>>
>> Karl Groves
>> www.karlgroves.com
>> @karlgroves
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
>> Phone: +1 410.541.6829
>>
>> Modern Web Toolsets and Accessibility
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uq6Db47-Ks
>>
>> www.tenon.io
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Karl Groves
> www.karlgroves.com
> @karlgroves
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
> Phone: +1 410.541.6829
>
> Modern Web Toolsets and Accessibility
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uq6Db47-Ks
>
> www.tenon.io
> > > > >