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Re: Untagged PDF doc with table structure

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From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Feb 18, 2015 7:30AM

I am not 100% sure that is true Karen. There is an additional pane in
Acrobat called the Contents pane. I consider this to hold the guts of the
PDF, or the content. It sounds like whatever software was used to make the
PDF used structure, but didn't create tags. So if Lynn opened up that pane,
I bet she'd see Container <Table> ....., and so on, then JAWS is making the
connection you mentioned, which appears to "read normally." If we then use
"add tags" option, the added tags should roughly mimic the structure from
the contents pane.

Michael said
> The document may be tagged but you have to escape from the initial
choices and re-enter through the menu choice of change reading options.
Then it will often show you the tagged choice. I'm not clear why this is,
but it happens often enough that I pretty much always escape from the
initial screen

There is an additional setting that needs to be set. You must open the
pages pane, select all pages, choose properties. By default this is set to
unstructured, this is like saying "guess what to do." The other options are
like use tags, use the document language to pick (left to right), and one
more that i am drawing a blank on


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Ryan E. Benson

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Karlen Communications <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Tags are not added to the document when you open an untagged PDF and use
> this option. What happens is that "Virtual" Tags are added based on the
> fact
> that you are using a "trusted assistive technology" recognized by Acrobat
> or
> Reader. This allows temporary access to the content and the Tags are not
> saved when the document is closed or if you choose to save the document
> under a different name.
>
> I just tested this in Acrobat with an untagged PDF. This is a stop-gap tool
> to allow access to legacy PDF documents but since there are still many
> untagged PDF being produced, it is part of our daily toolbox.
>
> If you are going to add actual Tags to a PDF, dismiss this message before
> you use the Add Tags tool as I find it tends to confuse the real tagging
> process and I get some interesting versions of the Add Tags Report.
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Lynn Holdsworth
> Sent: February 18, 2015 7:36 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Untagged PDF doc with table structure
>
> Hi all,
>
> Apologies if PDF accessibility is off topic. If so is there a list that
> covers this?
>
> But if not ...
>
> I open a PDF document, and Adobe Reader alerts me that it's untagged.
>
> So I begin to peruse it using JAWS, and come across a table whose structure
> is robust enough for me to move around it using the JAWS table keystrokes.
>
> Does this mean there *are* tags in the document after all? Or has Adobe
> Reader used heuristics to add tags to improve the doc's accessibility,
> since
> my settings flag up that I'm using a screenreader?
>
> I tried to download a trial version of Acrobat Pro so as to examine the
> document structure, but the download assistant seems inaccessible.
>
> Thanks as always, Lynn
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>
> > > >