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Re: Opening modal window without user action

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From: Bruno Girard
Date: Mar 30, 2016 2:14PM


Finally, what I take from these exchanges...
- WGAG has holes in it! Thanks Chaals for bringing it to WCAG group, I hope
something will happen in the near feature. :)
- Sadly, there is nothing at level A and AA that can stop us to display
modal windows after a delay even if the majority tells it is a very bad
practice and everyone wants to send unsolicited pop-ups to death....
- With AAA level, we can send people to jail... I will visit them and ask:
How expensive *were* your attorney fees?
- It is better to show modal pop-over at page loads, but unlike
helenkeller.org, we should never be able to navigate using keyboard on the
elements under the pop-over when it is displayed.
- I totally agree with Patrick: "Making the survey (as a modal, or as a
separate tab/window, or whatever) appear only as a result of a user
interaction on a link or clearly sign-posted button would be the
preferred/least problematic option of course".
- I continue to hate my actual pop-over after a delay modal solution. I
will work hard to have the budget to have this changed. I had like to have
a non-conformity argument thought...

Should I take more?

Thanks to everyone!

Bruno

2016-03-29 6:41 GMT-04:00 Chaals McCathie Nevile < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:

> On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:37:05 +0100, Patrick H. Lauke <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> On 25/03/2016 11:18, Bruno Girard wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Rakesh,
>>> This change do not happen on focus... It is slightly different. We open
>>> the
>>> window and give focus to this window. This window appears after a
>>> programmed delay, without any specific user action. Does 3.2.1 is still
>>> the
>>> criteria to invoke for this fail?
>>>
>>
>> It appears that WCAG 2.0 does not have a very specific SC for unexpected
>> changes of context that happen without user action (be it input or focus)
>> at AA.
>>
>
> Hmm.
>
> Agreed. I think this is a serious problem actually. I'll take it back to
> the WCAG group.
>
> For AAA, I'd say this falls foul of 3.2.5 Change on Request
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/consistent-behavior-no-extreme-changes-context.html
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
> I think it also fails 2.2.4 - postpone time limits before they impact the
> user - again at AAA level,
> https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/time-limits-postponed.html
>
> Elsewhere in the thread at 15:20:22 +0100, Patrick H. Lauke <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> Ironically perhaps, I'd say that if the automatic popup happened right
>> away, and NOT after a timeout (so that the user didn't already start
>> interacting with the actual page, only to be unceremoniously and unwantedly
>> being yanked off to this popup), then it would be less of a problem...
>>
>
> Right. In fact I think the case described in the failure technique at
> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F52.html *doesn't* violate WCAG 2.
>
> I raised an issue on that through the feedback form, but I have no idea
> whether that goes somewhere that it can be found by others. Anyone know? Or
> should I duplicate it with a github issue?
>
> (this would also remove the problem/annoyance experienced by all users -
>> e.g. the "non disabled" mouse user who is starting to read/interact/scroll
>> down on the page only to then be rudely presented with a doorslam modal;
>> this would also, of course, be a problem for users with cognitive
>> disabilities, or screen magnification, etc)
>>
>
> yeah, part of the problem here is that you think you're doing something,
> so you start a sequence of actions (navigation keystrokes, entering text
> through an IME, all kinds of oddness) but mid-way through they are suddenly
> applied somewhere else.
>
> 3.3.4 and 3.3.6 - error prevention, limited for level AA and general for
> AAA, where actions that affect user data must be reversible or confirmed -
> would apply in some of these cases, but the confusion effect isn't handled
> automatically, so it depends on what happens in the modal popup and the
> webpage.
>
> cheers
>
> Chaals
>
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