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Re: PDF and PowerPoint Heading Question


From: L Snider
Date: Feb 24, 2017 11:04AM

Okay, so it sounds like people expect more variation in non-websites, as
long as things are consistent and logical. I guess I always took a more
website point of view, and met people who wanted that as well.

Yes, I read that survey and it was really helpful. I appreciated you doing
that, as it fills in gaps in knowledge.

I would love a survey of what people view as the worst issues, as they must
encounter horrible docs every day.

I guess I wonder about docs, because most people I have met in my
adventures never think about making them accessible (including most
disability organizations), whereas they may have heard something about
websites. So do people who use screen readers daily have to expect
variation in docs? Should they? I know these are head in the cloud
questions, and I don't need answers, but I sometimes wonder how far we have
come in that end of things since the 90s (and then other times I see the
huge progress).



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Karlen Communications <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> The number of heading levels doesn't usually come up in talking about
> general documents as opposed to web pages. Most of us just want a
> consistent way to navigate content and figure out what the outline of the
> content is.
> If you look at both iterations of the PDF and the User Experience Survey
> http://www.karlencommunications.com/PDFsurvey.html
> I don't think you'll find feedback on the number of H1, H2 or H3 you might
> have in a document. Of course this might be because there are other issues
> that are more of a priority...Maybe I need to develop another survey...
> Cheers, Karen.
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF and PowerPoint Heading Question
> Hi Karen,
> Thanks so much, good to know! I wish PowerPoint was like Word in terms of
> styles being open and put into a style bar, it would be a lot easier if
> that were consistent between products (she says in a hopeful voice). Very
> good point about the comparison slides. Won't be at CSUN, but would love to
> know if you get feedback on that request.
> I know there are times when there are two H1s in Word docs, but I have
> tried to steer clear of any more H1s. I guess my question would be, today
> do the majority of screen reader users (I know we can't survey 100% of
> people) expect Word docs, PDFs, PowerPoints to be different than web pages
> in terms of how many H1s they get? Would they prefer they are similar? I am
> asking because for me, I try to only use one H1 on a web page, maybe two if
> I have to...but from the feedback I got over the years people who use
> screen readers only wanted one or two H1s for web pages...I have lived many
> places and I get a lot of different feedback, depending on the local area.
> Cheers
> Lisa
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Karlen Communications <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > The section dividers are H1's by default, or they should be. You can
> > have more than one H1 in a PDF document and in a Word or PowerPoint
> document.
> > I'm not sure that PowerPoint has the concept of headings other than H1
> > and H2. I know if you create the content for a slide presentation in
> > Word, you only use Heading 1 (Title Placeholder) and Heading 2 (Body
> Placeholder).
> > You can't use an H3 to make a "nested list."
> >
> > There is currently no way to identify the default placeholders on
> > slides as anything but what they are when tagged as PDF. I think
> > Terrill asked about changing text boxes to headings or Title
> > Placeholders in a post a couple of weeks ago and you can't do that.
> >
> > If anyone is going to CSUN, I suggest you talk to the Microsoft folk
> > about making this possible in PowerPoint. I'm going to talk to them
> > about cleaning up some of the Tags in PDF documents from both Word and
> > PowerPoint and will mention the ability to reassign "heading Tags" .
> > on both the default placeholders and for Text Boxes. In thinking about
> > the comparison slide layout, we really would need the equivalent of an
> > H3 for the subtitles on slides using that layout.
> >
> > Cheers, Karen
> >
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > > > >