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From: Steve Green
Date: Jul 4, 2017 1:37AM


Hi James,

Since you're working for a UK Government department, it's likely that the GDS Accessibility Guidelines will apply to your testing (in fact the GDS Service Standard probably applies to the entire project).

https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/helping-people-to-use-your-service/making-your-service-accessible-an-introduction

https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/service-standard

This contains a list of assistive technologies that you must test with, which includes Windows, macOS and iOS (but not Android for some reason). Don’t even think about running Windows in virtual machines - it's not the same as the real thing.

In fact I would recommend either buying several Windows machines (my preference if you've got the space) or install several SSD drives in one machine so you can have all the different assistive technologies on their own disk - you really don't want multiple screen readers on the same partition. We now build all our machines with 4 disks so we can rapidly boot into different screen readers and other assistive technologies.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Dominic Capuano (gmail)
Sent: 26 June 2017 00:00
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Specifications for AT testing computers

My 2 cents on this would be to avoid Macs altogether go Windows. Most of your users will probably be Windows users anyway.

If you must test on Mac buy a separate Mac just for that. You will save money by not fool around with virtual machines and key mapping when you do your Windows testing.

Dominic Capuano
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From: JP Jamous [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Specifications for AT testing computers

It might work better with Virtual Box, but I tried it in my previous job using parallel and I used it successfully. Windows 7 with JAWS 17. I had no issues except frequent crashes. As I mentioned, I believe those were related to the heavy encryption of the actual SSD and VM itself.



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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Specifications for AT testing computers

So are you saying that JAWS now works in a Parallel VM running Windows 7? I had always heard there were significant problems with the JAWS cursor when using Parallel. All blind individuals whom I have discussed using VM on a Macintosh recommend either VM Fusion or Virtual Box.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 23, 2017, at 9:55 AM, JP Jamous < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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> Parallel will allow you to map certain keys so they don't conflict with Windows. Those would have to be applied per VM and not universal.
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> Be careful with this preferences dialog box as it is not VO accessible. Some sighted help is necessary. Once the mapping is configured, you will have no key conflicts.
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> Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:21 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Specifications for AT testing computers
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> James
>
> If this is regular website testing I think your list is way too ambitious.
> For screen reader I would ensureNVDA with Firefox (NVDA with Chrome is also becoming impressively good).
> I don't really see the need for testing with Jaws, but it doesn't hurt (other than the wallet).
> For a screen magnifier I would just do Zoomtext, I wouldn't do multiple ones.
>
> Spot test with Dragon (speech recognition is cool) spot test more with Zoomtext (screen magnification and zooming is important t a lot o people), but do the most thorough testing with a screen reader (not because they matter most, but because testing with them reveals most of the semantic and ARIA issues).
>
> assistive technology support primarily requires coding to standards, and testing with each a.t./browser combination is both expensive, time consuming and requires expertise.
>
> Re running Windows VM on Macs, it works for the most part, though people often have difficulty making the ctrl key work properly on the VM. It may require significan key mapping. I can check with some friends on the latest developments.
>
>
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> On 6/23/17, James Buller < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> I need to write a procurement request for computers to use for
>> conducting accessibility audits and assistive technology testing or experience sessons.
>>
>> I'd like any advice on what to ask for and what to avoid.
>>
>>
>> We'll need to be a local administrator to facilitate adding software
>> and browser extensions as need arises..
>>
>> I'm thinking a Macbook to provide Voiceover and Safari, with Windows
>> 7/10 virtual machines including assistive technologies might work?
>> Does that sound sensible or would we encounter problems such as
>> performance or not detect certain things if not doing things directly on a PC?
>> Any thoughts on versions of assistive technology to install and any
>> conflicts to be aware of?
>> My list, so far, partly based on software provided internally, is:
>>
>> * JAWS
>> * Zoomtext
>> * Supernova
>> * NVDA
>> * Dragon
>> * Read&Write Gold
>> * Claro Read
>> * Magic
>> * Lunar
>> * Nib Clickless
>> * Innovation
>> * Work Pace
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> James Buller
>>
>>
>>
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