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From: Schafer, Carmen
Date: Sep 28, 2017 10:22AM

Are others considering it a violation of 2.4.7 (Focus Visible) when a website doesn't enhance the browser's default focus indicator since Firefox's default thin black dotted line focus indicator is difficult to see yet Chrome has a more distinct default focus indicator (solid blue line)?

I just want to be clear what is considered a true violation of 2.4.7.

Thanks,
Carmen

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Avila
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Firefox visual focus indication

> This is a major problem for the user. It is also a problem when testing. We could argue that a digital property is in direct violation of SC 2.4.7 Focus Visible by not providing visual focus indication in Firefox. In my mind, it violates 1.3.1 of UAAG 2.0 because Firefox is not providing "Active keyboard focus" on radio buttons and checkboxes.

I would consider whether the ability to see the focus is because of the technique used or because of how the user agent works in determining conformance. For example, we have run into examples where certain techniques such as floating images in links can cause the visual indication of focus to go away. In other cases use of CSS to create custom radio buttons or the use of CSS over top of standard radio buttons to create a custom look caused the issue. Thus, if the issue occurs on a standard control that hasn't been affected by CSS then it seems like it is not the fault of the author although there are things you can do to overcome the issue. Other times things we do in CSS can cause these problems and authors need to address them or apply visible focus indicators using other techniques to compenstate.

Jonathan

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Beranek, Nicholas
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:02 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Firefox visual focus indication

Hi folks,

In Firefox, we are experiencing many issues with visual focus indication. That is, the outline or "focus ring" that is supposed to appear for active elements, in many cases, does not exist or is very difficult to see. This is especially true for radio buttons and checkboxes. For radio buttons, we are unable to determine focus at all. For checkboxes, there is a 1px dotted outline on the right side alone, hardly enough to satisfy for proper visual focus indication. You can test this by tabbing to a radio button or checkbox and check for focus outline.

This is a major problem for the user. It is also a problem when testing. We could argue that a digital property is in direct violation of SC 2.4.7 Focus Visible by not providing visual focus indication in Firefox. In my mind, it violates 1.3.1 of UAAG 2.0 because Firefox is not providing "Active keyboard focus" on radio buttons and checkboxes.

So, my questions are the following:


* Are the folks at Mozilla doing anything to fix this bug?

* Of the bug reports that exist, are we doing anything to ensure Mozilla's engineers fix the focus indication bug? (Link to "radio button focus" search on bugzilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=radio+button+focus)

* Have you done anything within your own CSS to compensate for this?

* Could this have something to do with Firefox taking to color property's value as the color for the focus outline?

Thank you so much for your time,

Nick Beranek
Capital One

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