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Date: Jun 24, 2018 5:58AM

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> 1. Re: PDF with multiple References to same Note (Philip Kiff)
> 2. Re: Accessible spreadsheets (Karlen Communications)
> 3. Re: [EXTERNAL] Navigation in application mode (glen walker)
> 4. Re: [EXTERNAL] Navigation in application mode
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> 6. Re: When is 508 required? :) (Jonathan Avila)
> 7. Re: PDF with multiple References to same Note (Ryan E. Benson)
> 8. Re: Accessible project manager (David Engebretson Jr)
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> From: Philip Kiff < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:05:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF with multiple References to same Note
> I've run into this issue a number of time before, Alan, and don't have a
> good solution.
>
> If forced to choose, I would go with your option (2), and just ignore
> later instances of the footnote.
>
> In cases where multiple instances of the same footnote appear within a
> single table, I have instead placed the note after the end of the entire
> table. Likewise if multiple instances of the same footnote appear within
> a single paragraph.
>
> But in your case, you have multiple references in multiple paragraphs,
> and I don't know what the best practice is for that.
>
> I will note that it is possible to edit a PDF and add content for screen
> readers only without affecting the visual appearance. To do this, you
> simply add white text (or use whatever colour matches the background
> colour). Then you tag the content as text. Then edit the content order
> and tag tree to place the tag/container into the correct location
> directly after each additional instance of the reference number. Using
> this technique, you could add multiple copies of the same footnote
> without affecting the visual display. But it seems obvious to me that
> this is a "hacky" and therefore provisional method of dealing with the
> issue, and not one that should be a recommended practice.
>
> Phil.
>
> Philip Kiff
> D4K Communications
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> On 2018-06-22 9:16 AM, Alan Zaitchik wrote:
> > Any suggestions on the best practice for the following case?
> >
> > I have a 2 page PDF where there are multiple references in multiple
> paragraphs to the same footnote. Visually all the footnotes are collected
> at the end of the document. The references are on both pages of the
> document.
> >
> > The relevant standard for accessibility is the new HHS standard, but I
> cannot place the Note tag after the Reference tags in the reading order --
> and I cannot place each after the paragraphs in which the Reference tag
> occurs since there are multiple such Reference tags for the same Note tag!
> >
> > From
> https://www.hhs.gov/web/section-508/making-files-accessible/pdf-required/index.html
> -- "Move the footnote text in the tag structure to either directly after
> the reference number, or directly after the paragraph that contains the
> reference number."
> >
> > I have no access to the original InDesign document, and I cannot edit
> the PDF (e.g. by creating multiple instances of the same footnotes) without
> destroying its appearance.
> >
> > What is the least annoying way to handle this for screen reader users?
> >
> > (1) Keep it the way it is.
> > (2) Move (in the tag tree) each note tag to directly after the first
> reference to it.
> > (3) Move (in the tag tree) each note tag to directly after the paragraph
> containing the first reference to it.
> > (4) Something else?
> >
> > Thanks for suggestions!
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:53:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible spreadsheets
> I can only address JAWS 18.
>
> There are verbosity settings and keyboard commands to navigate column and
> row titles as well as various areas of the worksheet and workbook. It is
> important that each worksheet have a unique name that is meaningful to the
> content of the worksheet.
>
> When I land on a cell with a formula, JAWS will read both the formula and
> the result.
>
> My biggest problem is with JAWS losing focus and just shifting the screen
> slightly up or slightly down without saying anything. Usually the only way
> to get it to work again in Excel is to restart my computer. This is with
> Word 2016 through Office 365 and Windows 10 all updates installed. I've had
> this problem for years so don't even think about it unless I'm
> concentrating
> on remediating a worksheet and suddenly lose speech.
>
> The other huge issue for those of us using screen readers or Text-to-Speech
> tools is not being able to see or visually decode the layout of the data on
> the worksheet. When remediating Excel content I use Word to write a
> "narrative" of how the worksheet is laid out, provide links to main topic
> areas and let the end-user know if there are blank columns and rows used
> for
> visual effect. Most document authors won't let you change the layout of
> their worksheets/workbook. I find a blank cell near the top of the
> worksheet
> and add the text from Word, making it white text on a white background
> makes
> it available to screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools but not visible
> unless focus is in that cell. Same with the links, find a place near the
> top
> of the worksheet, let people know in the narrative that they are there and
> where they start and make them white text on a white background.
>
> Microsoft also has some tips on making Excel worksheets accessible:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Make-your-Excel-spreadsheets-access
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> Cheers, Karen
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