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> 1. Re: PDF with multiple References to same Note (Philip Kiff)
> 2. Re: Accessible spreadsheets (Karlen Communications)
> 3. Re: [EXTERNAL] Navigation in application mode (glen walker)
> 4. Re: [EXTERNAL] Navigation in application mode
> (Birkir R. Gunnarsson)
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> 6. Re: When is 508 required? :) (Jonathan Avila)
> 7. Re: PDF with multiple References to same Note (Ryan E. Benson)
> 8. Re: Accessible project manager (David Engebretson Jr)
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:05:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF with multiple References to same Note
> I've run into this issue a number of time before, Alan, and don't have a
> good solution.
>
> If forced to choose, I would go with your option (2), and just ignore
> later instances of the footnote.
>
> In cases where multiple instances of the same footnote appear within a
> single table, I have instead placed the note after the end of the entire
> table. Likewise if multiple instances of the same footnote appear within
> a single paragraph.
>
> But in your case, you have multiple references in multiple paragraphs,
> and I don't know what the best practice is for that.
>
> I will note that it is possible to edit a PDF and add content for screen
> readers only without affecting the visual appearance. To do this, you
> simply add white text (or use whatever colour matches the background
> colour). Then you tag the content as text. Then edit the content order
> and tag tree to place the tag/container into the correct location
> directly after each additional instance of the reference number. Using
> this technique, you could add multiple copies of the same footnote
> without affecting the visual display. But it seems obvious to me that
> this is a "hacky" and therefore provisional method of dealing with the
> issue, and not one that should be a recommended practice.
>
> Phil.
>
> Philip Kiff
> D4K Communications
>
>
> On 2018-06-22 9:16 AM, Alan Zaitchik wrote:
> > Any suggestions on the best practice for the following case?
> >
> > I have a 2 page PDF where there are multiple references in multiple
> paragraphs to the same footnote. Visually all the footnotes are collected
> at the end of the document. The references are on both pages of the
> document.
> >
> > The relevant standard for accessibility is the new HHS standard, but I
> cannot place the Note tag after the Reference tags in the reading order --
> and I cannot place each after the paragraphs in which the Reference tag
> occurs since there are multiple such Reference tags for the same Note tag!
> >
> > From
> https://www.hhs.gov/web/section-508/making-files-accessible/pdf-required/index.html
> -- "Move the footnote text in the tag structure to either directly after
> the reference number, or directly after the paragraph that contains the
> reference number."
> >
> > I have no access to the original InDesign document, and I cannot edit
> the PDF (e.g. by creating multiple instances of the same footnotes) without
> destroying its appearance.
> >
> > What is the least annoying way to handle this for screen reader users?
> >
> > (1) Keep it the way it is.
> > (2) Move (in the tag tree) each note tag to directly after the first
> reference to it.
> > (3) Move (in the tag tree) each note tag to directly after the paragraph
> containing the first reference to it.
> > (4) Something else?
> >
> > Thanks for suggestions!
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > >
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:53:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible spreadsheets
> I can only address JAWS 18.
>
> There are verbosity settings and keyboard commands to navigate column and
> row titles as well as various areas of the worksheet and workbook. It is
> important that each worksheet have a unique name that is meaningful to the
> content of the worksheet.
>
> When I land on a cell with a formula, JAWS will read both the formula and
> the result.
>
> My biggest problem is with JAWS losing focus and just shifting the screen
> slightly up or slightly down without saying anything. Usually the only way
> to get it to work again in Excel is to restart my computer. This is with
> Word 2016 through Office 365 and Windows 10 all updates installed. I've had
> this problem for years so don't even think about it unless I'm
> concentrating
> on remediating a worksheet and suddenly lose speech.
>
> The other huge issue for those of us using screen readers or Text-to-Speech
> tools is not being able to see or visually decode the layout of the data on
> the worksheet. When remediating Excel content I use Word to write a
> "narrative" of how the worksheet is laid out, provide links to main topic
> areas and let the end-user know if there are blank columns and rows used
> for
> visual effect. Most document authors won't let you change the layout of
> their worksheets/workbook. I find a blank cell near the top of the
> worksheet
> and add the text from Word, making it white text on a white background
> makes
> it available to screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools but not visible
> unless focus is in that cell. Same with the links, find a place near the
> top
> of the worksheet, let people know in the narrative that they are there and
> where they start and make them white text on a white background.
>
> Microsoft also has some tips on making Excel worksheets accessible:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Make-your-Excel-spreadsheets-access
> ible-6cc05fc5-1314-48b5-8eb3-683e49b3e593
> <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Make-your-Excel-spreadsheets-accessible-6cc05fc5-1314-48b5-8eb3-683e49b3e593>
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> Cheers, Karen
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessible spreadsheets
>
> The recent thread about Sec. 508 regarding Excel prompted this question:
>
>
>
> How accessible are spreadsheets with current assistive technologies?
>
>
>
> I'm sure the answer will be "it depends," but let's take 2 basic samples:
>
>
>
> 1. A spreadsheet of just plain data, such as a directory with names,
> addresses and emails in rows and columns.
> 2. A spreadsheet with common, basic formulas, such as summation of a
> column of numbers.
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:48:30 -0600
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXTERNAL] Navigation in application mode
> Birkir, when you say that navigation to a grid should automatically switch
> to application/forms mode, are you saying a well-behaved screen reader
> should do that for you or that the web developer should be forcing it
> somehow?
>
> The spec for the grid role doesn't explicitly say a user agent should
> switch modes but it does say the author should manage the focus.
>
> When navigating to a grid, NVDA doesn't give an audible notification that
> forms mode switched but JAWS does. Using the right arrow after entering a
> grid, NVDA just reads character by character whereas JAWS will navigate to
> the next grid cell.
>
> So it sounds like JAWS handles the grid as you explained but NVDA does not.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > I would go with a grid
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#grid
> > Once inside a grid the screen reader should automatically switch to
> > application/forms mode passing keys through to the webpage.
> > Then you can set up keyboard listeners to respond to the arrow key
> presses.
> > For the JQuery script see this example of an accessible date picker:
> > https://dequeuniversity.com/library/aria/date-pickers/sf-date-picker
> > I workd with a developer to create this. As it was done in 2014 when
> > the grid role was poorly supported we used role="application" to force
> > the application mode, I believe that is no longer necessary.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/22/18, Brandon Keith Biggs < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > Here is a good design for a calendar:
> > > http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Date%
> > 20Pickers/ARIA%20Date%20Picker%20(Basic)/demo.htm
> > >
> > > If you want to add in appointments, tell the user how many appointments
> > > there are each day and allow them to hit enter to see what is on that
> day
> > > and escape to exit back to the date picker.
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:23 AM Tim Harshbarger <
> > > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Instead of using role="application", it would be better to use an ARIA
> > >> design pattern that more closely matched the interaction.
> > >>
> > >> The thing with role="application" is that, while it puts screen reader
> > >> users in forms mode, it doesn't really tell us how to get around the
> > >> application. So using role="application" for one part of the page is
> > not
> > >> likely to inform screen reader users that pressing the up and down
> arrow
> > >> keys will move from meeting to meeting and pressing the left and right
> > >> arrow keys will move between days.
> > >>
> > >> A listbox might work because a screen reader user will expect the up
> and
> > >> down arrow keys to move up and down the list. Unfortunately, there is
> > >> also
> > >> an expectation that using the left and right arrow keys will do the
> same
> > >> exact thing as using the up and down arrow keys. Users would not
> expect
> > >> the left and right arrow keys to move between days. If you used a
> > >> listbox,
> > >> you likely would need to explicitly inform users of what the left and
> > >> right
> > >> arrow keys do differently.
> > >>
> > >> To me, this sounds more like a grid. In a grid, there would likely be
> > a
> > >> better expectation that the up and down arrow keys would move within
> the
> > >> day while the left and right arrow keys move between days.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > >> Behalf Of <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 1:27 AM
> > >> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [WebAIM] Navigation in application mode
> > >>
> > >> Hi all.
> > >>
> > >> I have a dev who is doing something really non-standard. As far as I
> > >> understand the issue at this point of time. He wants to use the
> up/down
> > >> arrow to move between meetings. The left and right arrow moving
> between
> > >> the
> > >> days. Using non-application mode will not work due to screen readers
> as
> > >> far
> > >> as I can tell. But he wants use the application role to achieve this.
> > >> These
> > >> UI I am referring to have buttons for next and prior day. The meetings
> > >> from
> > >> memory are not in any UI element like a list.
> > >>
> > >> Any ideas how this can be achieved without using application mode?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> How does the javascript keyboard event handle keyboard navigation when
> > it
> > >> is
> > >> not on an element. Do you have to apply the keyboard event to the body
> > of
> > >> the html and track from there?
> > >>
> > >> Sean
> > >>
> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > > > > > > > >
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> From: "Birkir R. Gunnarsson" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:53:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXTERNAL] Navigation in application mode
> The
> W3C spec never specifies exactly how a user agent should behave, but
> strongly hints at it.
> If NVDA does not switch into application mode inside a grid that's an
> NVDA bug (unless the grid is marked as readonly).
> This is why authors still use the application role on a grid, like we
> did with the datepicker, but screen readers should address these
> issues. I will go look at NVDA issues and file one if needed.
>
>
>
> On 6/22/18, glen walker < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Birkir, when you say that navigation to a grid should automatically
> switch
> > to application/forms mode, are you saying a well-behaved screen reader
> > should do that for you or that the web developer should be forcing it
> > somehow?
> >
> > The spec for the grid role doesn't explicitly say a user agent should
> > switch modes but it does say the author should manage the focus.
> >
> > When navigating to a grid, NVDA doesn't give an audible notification that
> > forms mode switched but JAWS does. Using the right arrow after entering
> a
> > grid, NVDA just reads character by character whereas JAWS will navigate
> to
> > the next grid cell.
> >
> > So it sounds like JAWS handles the grid as you explained but NVDA does
> not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> >> I would go with a grid
> >> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#grid
> >> Once inside a grid the screen reader should automatically switch to
> >> application/forms mode passing keys through to the webpage.
> >> Then you can set up keyboard listeners to respond to the arrow key
> >> presses.
> >> For the JQuery script see this example of an accessible date picker:
> >> https://dequeuniversity.com/library/aria/date-pickers/sf-date-picker
> >> I workd with a developer to create this. As it was done in 2014 when
> >> the grid role was poorly supported we used role="application" to force
> >> the application mode, I believe that is no longer necessary.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/22/18, Brandon Keith Biggs < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Here is a good design for a calendar:
> >> > http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Date%
> >> 20Pickers/ARIA%20Date%20Picker%20(Basic)/demo.htm
> >> >
> >> > If you want to add in appointments, tell the user how many
> appointments
> >> > there are each day and allow them to hit enter to see what is on that
> >> > day
> >> > and escape to exit back to the date picker.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:23 AM Tim Harshbarger <
> >> > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Instead of using role="application", it would be better to use an
> ARIA
> >> >> design pattern that more closely matched the interaction.
> >> >>
> >> >> The thing with role="application" is that, while it puts screen
> reader
> >> >> users in forms mode, it doesn't really tell us how to get around the
> >> >> application. So using role="application" for one part of the page is
> >> not
> >> >> likely to inform screen reader users that pressing the up and down
> >> >> arrow
> >> >> keys will move from meeting to meeting and pressing the left and
> right
> >> >> arrow keys will move between days.
> >> >>
> >> >> A listbox might work because a screen reader user will expect the up
> >> >> and
> >> >> down arrow keys to move up and down the list. Unfortunately, there
> is
> >> >> also
> >> >> an expectation that using the left and right arrow keys will do the
> >> >> same
> >> >> exact thing as using the up and down arrow keys. Users would not
> >> >> expect
> >> >> the left and right arrow keys to move between days. If you used a
> >> >> listbox,
> >> >> you likely would need to explicitly inform users of what the left and
> >> >> right
> >> >> arrow keys do differently.
> >> >>
> >> >> To me, this sounds more like a grid. In a grid, there would likely
> be
> >> a
> >> >> better expectation that the up and down arrow keys would move within
> >> >> the
> >> >> day while the left and right arrow keys move between days.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Tim
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> >> >> Behalf Of <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> >> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 1:27 AM
> >> >> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [WebAIM] Navigation in application mode
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi all.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a dev who is doing something really non-standard. As far as I
> >> >> understand the issue at this point of time. He wants to use the
> >> >> up/down
> >> >> arrow to move between meetings. The left and right arrow moving
> >> >> between
> >> >> the
> >> >> days. Using non-application mode will not work due to screen readers
> >> >> as
> >> >> far
> >> >> as I can tell. But he wants use the application role to achieve this.
> >> >> These
> >> >> UI I am referring to have buttons for next and prior day. The
> meetings
> >> >> from
> >> >> memory are not in any UI element like a list.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any ideas how this can be achieved without using application mode?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> How does the javascript keyboard event handle keyboard navigation
> when
> >> it
> >> >> is
> >> >> not on an element. Do you have to apply the keyboard event to the
> body
> >> of
> >> >> the html and track from there?
> >> >>
> >> >> Sean
> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:38:50 -0400
> Subject: [WebAIM] JOB: FT or PT PDF Remediation
> Posting this job announcement for a client.
>
>
>
> They are looking for a Full or Part-Time PDF remediator.
>
>
>
> Although they will train the candidate for their particular methods and
> standards, candidate must have experience in accessible media, especially
> documents.
>
>
>
> Job Requirements:
>
> 1. Knowledge of WCAG 2.0 and PDF/UA-1 accessibility standards
> 2. Advanced skills in Acrobat
> 3. Knowledge of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and other programs
> 4. Knowledge of other remediation tools and techniques
> 5. Dedication to accessibility and people
> 6. Ability to stay on task
>
>
>
> This is a top-quality office with great people. Work either on-site
> (mid-Atlantic region) or telecommute from anywhere.
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 22:50:01 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] When is 508 required? :)
> > Anyway, my question was more... If the Excel spreadsheet is compliant
> before data is entered, it shouldn't really change
>
> It is possible in Excel to add color formatting, symbols, etc. to content
> within cells. So in theory someone adding content to the cell could create
> an accessibility issue. But given that much will be locked down then it is
> less likely that someone would break accessibility in other ways such as by
> adding textboxes, images, etc.. If nothing was added in an inaccessible
> manner there would be no need for remediation. So the answer is it
> depends on what the user actually does/can do.
>
> If you do plan to lock the cells and prevent selection of locked cells
> then you will likely need to use input messages to communicate the cell
> labels to users of screen readers because the users won't be able to read
> the cells outside the unlocked region.
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Andrea Miralia
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:54 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] When is 508 required? :)
>
>
> What is "ICT?"
>
> Anyway, my question was more... If the Excel spreadsheet is compliant
> before data is entered, it shouldn't really change after the data is
> entered. The participants won't be adding formulas or merging cells (and in
> fact, we might lock the documents so that they can't), so ... it seems
> unnecessary to re-remediate them and make sure they're still compliant
> after the data has been entered.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Jonathan Avila
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:34 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] When is 508 required? :)
>
> While Section 508 is generally enforced through procurement it covers the
> use, maintenance, and development of ICT as well. Employees and members of
> the public have a civil right to access ICT in a comparable manner
> available to people without disabilities. There are 9 types of non-public
> documents that are covered by Section 508 to ensure that information needed
> by citizens of this country and employees with disabilities can have the
> same access as others.
>
> Jonathan
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> Andrea Miralia
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:07 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] When is 508 required? :)
>
>
> One thing I am wondering is why, in the past, other contractors have
> remediated the Excel spreadsheets both before *and after* the individual
> companies have filled them out. This seems unnecessary to me, as again, the
> spreadsheets are not being published anywhere; they're just being used to
> manage information like company name and address and membership numbers.
>
> Anyone know why both the blank spreadsheets and the filled-in spreadsheets
> would have to be compliant? Seems excessive.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 2:32 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] When is 508 required? :)
>
> This is interesting. As the section 508 is about procurement. Thus Excel
> needs to be accessible. But does spreadsheets from a third-party need to be?
> If you are selling them a service maybe? This is a legal question in deed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Andrea Miralia
> Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2018 10:59 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: [WebAIM] When is 508 required? :)
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm wondering about a potential request that may be coming my way. A
> government client wants to make sure a few thousand Excel documents are 508
> compliant, but these documents will be exchanged privately between the
> companies and the government. They won't be publicly available, and there
> aren't any employees accessing these files who need them to be 508
> compliant. One of my colleagues said they need to be compliant because "you
> never know" who might be working on the documents in the future. But what
> is the law, really? I am looking, of course, but I figured I'd ask all of
> you, too.
>
>
>
>
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Ryan E. Benson" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 21:13:25 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF with multiple References to same Note
> I would do #2. Then document this issue in your justification for item i6
> in the checklist.
>
> --
> Ryan E. Benson
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Alan Zaitchik < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions on the best practice for the following case?
> >
> > I have a 2 page PDF where there are multiple references in multiple
> > paragraphs to the same footnote. Visually all the footnotes are collected
> > at the end of the document. The references are on both pages of the
> > document.
> >
> > The relevant standard for accessibility is the new HHS standard, but I
> > cannot place the Note tag after the Reference tags in the reading order
> --
> > and I cannot place each after the paragraphs in which the Reference tag
> > occurs since there are multiple such Reference tags for the same Note
> tag!
> >
> > From https://www.hhs.gov/web/section-508/making-files-
> > accessible/pdf-required/index.html -- "Move the footnote text in the tag
> > structure to either directly after the reference number, or directly
> after
> > the paragraph that contains the reference number."
> >
> > I have no access to the original InDesign document, and I cannot edit the
> > PDF (e.g. by creating multiple instances of the same footnotes) without
> > destroying its appearance.
> >
> > What is the least annoying way to handle this for screen reader users?
> >
> > (1) Keep it the way it is.
> > (2) Move (in the tag tree) each note tag to directly after the first
> > reference to it.
> > (3) Move (in the tag tree) each note tag to directly after the paragraph
> > containing the first reference to it.
> > (4) Something else?
> >
> > Thanks for suggestions!
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Engebretson Jr < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 21:14:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible project manager
> What if a person has a Twitter aversion?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mohith BP
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:02 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible project manager
>
> Hi,
>
> Atlassian has a specific twitter handle for the accessibility issues
> and they were helpful couple of years ago when I approached them.
> You can contact at: (@atlassianaccess)
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Mohith B. P.
>
> On 6/21/18, Brandon Keith Biggs < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Personally I use Google Sheets. I have a template I use for each project
> > plan, but for larger teams, I don't know if this is an option.
> > I've never used anything with a good UX to do project management other
> > than
> > spreadsheets and text files.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:45 AM Don Mauck < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone used a Project Manager that works with a screen reader? We
> >> tried Jira, however, Atlassian has never been good at fixing
> >> Accessibility
> >> issues and I have little hope that they will fix Jira.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards: Don Mauck
> >>
> >> Accessibility Evangelist Oracle Corporate Architecture
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >