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Re: Accessible P Tag Usage

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From: Mohith BP
Date: Mar 18, 2019 11:09PM

Hi,

I agree with Patrick. This is a very low priority issue and I dont
think one need to flag it as an violation as there are many ways such
as inserting <br> tags to provide line breaks between the content.
Please note not marking up headings, tables and list items impacts the
screen reader users heavily hence these should be flagged as
violations.

Thanks & Regards,
Mohith B. P.

On 3/18/19, Tim Harshbarger < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> My personal opinion is that it is not a requirement for text to be contained
> in at least a paragraph element. My thinking is that a paragraph element
> conveys that its contents are all part of a paragraph--and that might not be
> the information or relationship that the content author wants to convey.
>
> This is definitely a good question since it shows you are trying not to make
> assumptions--and it is always good to think about our assumptions.
>
> Thanks for asking this question.
>
> Tim
> Tim Harshbarger
> Senior Accessibility Consultant
> Deque Systems
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Peter
> Shikli
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 5:06 PM
> To: WebAIM Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessible P Tag Usage
>
> Access2online audits webpages and electronic documents for compliance with
> WCAG and Section 508. As our understanding of WCAG has deepened and evolved,
> several times we have been confronted with the situation where one section
> of the guideline implies or directly contradicts another section or another
> resource such as WAVE, AXE, or Deque training materials. We often seem to be
> too strict interpreting the guidelines related to 1.3.1. Much of guideline
> would certainly improve usability, but we are aware of the difference
> between accessibility and usability.
> We would like input from the accessibility community about what to do when
> such a situation arises as in the following examples.
>
> The 1.3.1 Info and Relationships states "Information, structure, and
> relationships conveyed through presentation can be programmatically
> determined or are available in text." Further in the "Understanding SC
> 1.3.1" it says "When such relationships are perceivable to one set of users,
> those relationships can be made to be perceivable to all."
> Looking at specific failure conditions, F43 tells us that structural markup
> cannot be used in a way that does not represent relationship in the content.
> Then G115 says:
>
> "... Using the appropriate semantic elements will make sure the
> structure is available to the user agent. This involves explicitly
> indicating the role that different units have in understanding the meaning
> of the content. The nature of a piece of content as a paragraph, header,
> emphasized text, table, etc. can all be indicated in this way. ..."
>
> The strictest interpretation of these items is that it is required that
> relationships in content are programmatically available, including content
> "... such as a paragraph ...". Is this to be taken as saying text should, at
> a minimum, programmatically be a <p> tag, unless there is a more appropriate
> structural tag?
>
> We are aware that the sufficient techniques do not constitute required ways
> of doing things, so we are hesitant to violate a customer based on the
> suggested ways of meeting the criteria. However, when a failure condition
> says content must be semantically appropriate, then a sufficient technique
> lists paragraphs as appropriate semantics for text content, this implies
> that if text content is not in a <p> or a more appropriate tag (like
> headings, lists, etc.) it is not making the relationship/information about
> the text "available to all users."
>
> On the flip side, what about including an empty <p> tag with no text
> content, or only an image?
>
> Our concern arises from the fact that AXE and WAVE do not violate text
> content which is not included in a <p> or other semantically appropriate
> tag and the Deque curriculum says very little about semantics that is not
> addressing tables, headings and the like.
> Deque/AXE suggests that having free-floating text included in an HTML5/ARIA
> landmark is a minimal "best practice". What is the community opinion on
> quandaries like this?
>
> Peter Shikli
> on behalf of inmate Juliette McShane
> www.Access2online.com
>
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