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Re: Placeholder and Accessible Name Computation

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From: Detlev Fischer
Date: May 8, 2019 11:34PM

Tangential to this discussion is the case, which I see more often, of the search field made visible once a search button has been activated, a field which has no further label and may not be anywhere near the search button, and which may have a placeholder (more Ofen just a text cursor). You could argue that since it is only brought about after the user action and intent of searching, it wouldn't require a label as much as other fields. But I just throw this in to contemplate.

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> Am 09.05.2019 um 05:08 schrieb Birkir R. Gunnarsson < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:
>
> That discussion doesn't make sense to me. They even talk about what
> hapens if an element has title, placeholder and a non-empty value
> attribute. I thought an input could never have both a visible
> placeholder and a value and the placeholder attribute should not be
> exposed by a screen reader as the input's accessible name when it is
> not visible.
> For one thing it creates a major inconsisency between the visible and
> screen reader experience, for another, the recommended use of the
> placeholder attribute makes it unsuitable for the element's accessible
> name, for a third, an input with placeholder only text fails WCAG
> 3.3.2 (visible label) except in the rare cases where the field is
> sufficiently labeled visually by an adjacent control (e.g. a search
> input labeled by a search button).
> I just don't like where this discussion is going, oh no precious, not
> at all, Gollum.
>
>
>> On 5/8/19, glen walker < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> That sentence in step D has always bothered me.
>>
>> "Otherwise, if the current node's native markup provides an attribute (e.g.
>> title)"
>>
>> Why is the TITLE attribute given as an example in step D as a text
>> alternative? If you continue through the calculation to step I (eye), you
>> finally get to the lonely tooltip attribute, which is also the TITLE
>> attribute. So it's a bit confusing on when the TITLE attribute should be
>> used. Step D or step I?
>> >> >> >> >>
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