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From: Murphy, Sean
Date: Jan 14, 2020 3:22PM

I agree and can introduce problems with users trying to understand what is going on where they are not experienced users with Web. There is a lot of folks like this.

Sean

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I'm a little late getting into landmarks. I have a follow-up question to this thread. Is it redundant and unnecessary to include both the landmark and the HTML5 element? For example, is there any harm (from a SR perspective or otherwise) of using <header role="banner"> or <main role="main"> for instance? In my reading, it seems like redundancy is okay, but I know that from past experience, having the SR repeat the same things multiple times is obviously a bad thing.

Thanks!

Dan Swift
Senior Web Specialist
University Communications and Marketing
West Chester University
610.738.0589

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Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Landmarks

You could pin it un 1.3.1 or 4.1.1 (ARIA is not being used according to spec, so it feels like 4.1.1 is a valid argument).
I push for people using the big 3 correctly, header/main/footer
(banner/main/contentinfo) but usually stop there, because in my usability testing I didn't see anyone use landmarks and too many landmarks on a page quickly render them pretty useless.
Your plague of banner landmarks is probably caused by use of the <header> element (it maps to the banner role if it is a child of the <body> element and should only be used in connection with <article> or <section> elements if not used for the webpage header).
Jaws is overly generous when it comes to mapping the <header> element to a banner landmark.


On 5/2/19, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> My view is that it is a violation of 1.3.1 if landmarks are not used
> or are used incorrectly. In most cases I would expect all page content
> to be in at least one landmark - there may be exceptions where that is
> not appropriate but I can't think of any.
>
> Steve Green
> Managing Director
> Test Partners Ltd
>
>
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> Isabel Holdsworth
> Sent: 02 May 2019 10:23
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Landmarks
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently auditing a web application that uses ARIA landmarks in a
> very random fashion.
>
> I've discovered that using landmarks within a dialog causes JAWS 2018
> to say nothing but "dialog" when trying to interact with elements
> using the virtual cursor and sometimes the Tab key. So I'll recommend they stop doing this.
>
> On some pages they have a <div role="main"> wrapper around unique page
> content, but they're not using header or footer roles. Is it OK to
> have some content wrapped in landmarks and the rest not? I know that
> ideally if landmarks are to be used at all they should be applied to
> the whole page, but would not doing so constitute a WCAG 2.0 violation?
>
> I've found a few banner landmarks inside main landmarks - do you think
> this would be a fail? If so under which guideline? 1.3.1 perhaps?
>
> Thanks as always, Isabel
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