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Re: Using ARIA grids


From: Don Mauck
Date: Jul 28, 2020 8:10AM

That behavior is exactly what I'm seeing. I'm quite concerned since I don't want the Dev teams to keep going down this path as it certainly breaks screen readers table functions.
I love this dialog as it has given me more things to take to the teams and hopefully they will listen to me.


Don Mauck | Senior Accessibility Evangelist | Accessibility Program Office | (APO)


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From: Jeremy Echols < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 6:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Using ARIA grids

I think it will depend how it's implemented, too. The example on the w3c site sounds to me like it still has table semantics for Firefox and NVDA, but the whole thing gets a bit confusing due to the JavaScript that implements the grid navigation conflicting with the NVDA keyboard shortcuts. It may be that this implementation is fine, but I'm not familiar enough with the expectations of a screen-reader user to comment on that.

The example to which I refer is at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/grid/dataGrids.html*ex2_label__;Iw!!GqivPVa7Brio!PWMweKVlTpPyw4v2Dg03CCvvYrkqdc9aURHhwZwyIA4ob3mOMe70BeSM6q6ns0k$

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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Mallory
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 11:06
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Using ARIA grids

I did JAWS and NVDA, and someone else did VoiceOver but I seem to recall one had worse issues than the others.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, at 7:11 PM, glen walker wrote:
> It depends what screen reader and browser combination you're using.
> What did you test with?
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 1:32 AM Mallory < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > So far as I can tell, once you add in grid roles and the JS, you
> > lose all the table semantics. The columnheaders don't name the cells
> > anymore, you can't use ctrl-alt-Arrows to navigate, and you lose
> > everything. The grid roles had to manually recreate everything.
> >
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