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Re: [EXTERNAL]Unaware of sitemap due to forced focus

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From: Mark Magennis
Date: Feb 12, 2021 5:39AM


Bear in mind though that the meaning for a lot of UI terms is not immediately known or guessable but as long as they become commonplace then they may be considered sufficiently learnable. Think of "window" and "mouse" for example. The first time someone ever used a computer, when they didn't already know the meaning of these terms, asking them to "move the mouse to that window" would probably produce a blank stare. But these terms are so universal that they are easily learnable. The person doesn't even have to know that a mouse is a small rodent with a long tail. Not sure if breadcrumb falls into that bracket though. It's debatable.

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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Barry via WebAIM-Forum
Sent: 12 February 2021 12:29
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Good point. I also wonder if younger people know of the story too. Back to the drawing board, I think.


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Sent: 12 February 2021 12:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Unaware of sitemap due to forced focus

As a concept, breadcrumb trail is a bit culturally bound though isn't it. I don't expect the story of Hansel and Gretel is universally known.

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It's difficult to come up with a term that is both accurately descriptive and not too jargonistic. "Where am I" doesn't describe the breadcrumb of where you've been in that journey. Perhaps that's why some clever bod came up with Breadcrumb.



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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Mark Magennis
Sent: 12 February 2021 11:24 AM
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A long time ago, while running some user testing, I actually investigated what might be the best name for a breadcrumb trail. It was inconclusive. As many users preferred "breadcrumbs" as any other option, including "Where am I?". But that may say more about the problems of relying on small test samples that are skewed as to experience, technical know-how, etc.

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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Unaware of sitemap due to forced focus

"Where am I" is an excellent suggestion. I didn't think of that. Thank you.



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Sent: 11 February 2021 5:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Unaware of sitemap due to forced focus

Yes you can use aria-label or aria-labelledby (if you have some suitable text for it to reference) to give the sitemap and breadcrumb navigation regions unique names. Think carefully about the names though. You could call the breadcrumb region "breadcrumbs" but that's a developer jargon term that a lot of end users have never heard. So "where am I?" may be better.

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WebAIM] Unaware of sitemap due to forced focus

Can't we use aria labeledby to give a navigation region a unique label?

Cheers

B


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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke
Sent: 10 February 2021 3:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Unaware of sitemap due to forced focus

On 10/02/2021 14:29, Barry via WebAIM-Forum wrote:
> The sitemap does have a navigation region tag, and I'm going to suggest that they change this to a sitemap region tag.

Ah what? There is no sitemap region tag or role, unless I'm missing something...

P
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