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Re: [External] making a toolbar a landmark

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From: Jeff Gutsell
Date: Mar 10, 2025 5:43AM

JAWS users are probably familiar with the help window that they can get from the application. This is created with the Microsoft help compiler.



They have the toolbar that I am referring to turned off. So the JAWS users don’t see that.
Jeff

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> On Mar 9, 2025, at 5:12 PM, Jon Bodnar via WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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> Hi,
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> I'm not familiar with the application(?) you're referencing. But if the navigation is more like an application menu than site navigation, maybe the menu role? Or just a clear accessible name on the nav element would be an improvement.
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> --Jon
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> Subject: [External] [WebAIM] making a toolbar a landmark
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> Hi All,
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> Yesterday, I stumbled across code I wrote in the summer of 2000 for an
> online help system that was required to mimic the look and feel of the old
> Microsoft compiled HTML Help. I have been shaking my head at how little
> accessibility my creation showed. Such were the times.
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> While pondering the many ways I would change this now, I got to thinking
> about the toolbar at the top of every page. This toolbar was not in a
> landmark. These days, if the top of the page had a popup navigation menubar,
> that almost certainly would be a page landmark using the <nav> element.
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> Would it be worthwhile to put such a toolbar in a landmark? Is there a rule
> of thumb for how to decide this?
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> I am thinking the landmark would be a section element with an aria label.
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> Jeff Gutsell
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