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From: Thomas Jedenfelt
Date: Jun 6, 2005 10:51AM

Joelle,

You wrote:
'But we have over 70 activities and they all have fieldsets.'

As I wrote in my first message in this thread, FIELDSET / LEGEND is not consistently supported by user agents, according to AFB (American Foundation for the Blind).

(http://www.afb.org/Section.asp?SectionID=57&;TopicID=167&DocumentID=2375&Mod&Mode=Print&Mode=Print)

If AFB's recommendation is still valid as of today (and affects your users), I would say that you are in serious trouble.

Maybe you ought to find out if the user agents - that the students are using - supports these elements, before you continue to work on these forms.

If they don't supports these elements, you might want to take a vacation.

Regards,
Thomas Jedenfelt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joelle Tegwen"
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:52:31 -0500

>
> I'm going to talk to our designers about moving from two radios to one
> checkbox, thus eliminating a lot of our needed fieldsets. But we have over
> 70 activities and they all have fieldsets. I just gave 1 example.
>
> But I do have many cases where I have things like:
> List 5 people that can help you with this:
> 1. <input type="text">
> 2. <input type="text">
> 3. <input type="text">
> 4. <input type="text">
> 5. <input type="text">
>
> And these clearly qualify for a fieldset/legend.
>
> We *must* be accessible to screen readers (our mission is to support people
> with disabilities) so the "List 5 people.." needs to be associated with the
> 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5. His example only associates the "List 5 people..." with the
> 1st control.
>
> Could we use a <dl>? Can form controls go inside a dl?
>
> Thanks
> Joelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Jedenfelt
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:37 PM
>
> Okay, as my previous suggestions did not cause shouts of joy, let's try
> another one:
>
> In below suggestion I use CHECKBOX and TEXT field.
>
> There are no LEGEND, FIELDSET or RADIO elements.
> (Joelle had problems with styling LEGEND / FIELDSET. And AFB suggests
> avoiding RADIO [1].)
>
> There are only five or six questions, so I do not see a need for LEGEND /
> FIELDSET.
> Does anyone agree?
>
> I have rephrased the text of the labels.
>
> I have omitted the attributes.
>
> <p><label>
> <input type="checkbox">
> Yes, I will need assistance with arranging transportation when I do things
> out in the community.
> </label></p>
>
> <p><label>
> <input type="checkbox">
> Yes, I could get a ride with someone who is already involved in the
> organization.
> </label></p>
>
> <p><label>
> I can not get a ride with someone who is already involved in the
> organization, but these persons can give me a ride:
> <input type="text" value="name">
> </label></p>
>
> <p><label>
> <input type="checkbox">
> Yes, I will need extra time to complete some activities and assignments.
> </label></p>
>
> <p><label>
> I will need this kind of support from someone while I am actually on-site
> volunteering or doing community service:
> <input type="text" value="text">
> </label></p>
>
>
> Also, this article may be of interest:
>
> Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox, 27-Sep-2004
> 'Checkboxes vs. Radio Buttons'
> (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040927.html)
>
> Regards,
> Thomas Jedenfelt
>
> [1]
> AFB suggests avoiding RADIO.
> AccessWorld issue of March 2004.
> http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw050204
>
> As I mentioned earlier in this thread, AFB's advice is still on their Web
> site, one year after the article.
> (http://www.afb.org/Section.asp?SectionID=57&;TopicID=167&DocumentID=2375&Mod
> e=Print)
>
> I wonder if AFB, as of today, still recommends that RADIO should be avoided.
> Or, if they haven't as yet updated the Web page?
>


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