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Re: Accessible popup menus


From: Terrence Wood
Date: Jul 29, 2005 12:16AM

On 29 Jul 2005, at 4:11 PM, Al Sparber wrote:
> There are no artifacts in any of our test browsers. If you are seeing
> artifacts, it is a browser bug. I see no artifacts in:
> Firefox (Windows and Mac)
> Opera (Windows and Mac)
> IE (Windows and Mac)
> Safari

I have personally tested your product with Firefox, Safari and IE on a
Mac -- it works fine with a mouse and going tabbing forward through the
menu, the problem occurs when tabbing backwards through the menu using
a keyboard.

>> A menu system cannot be described as WAI priority three compliant
>> until after it is implemented because at least one of the criteria is
>> concerned with the link text

> This is a test case with null links.

It doesn't matter what case it is, null links still fail on the same
criteria. The point is this: it cannot be accessible until it is
applied in a real world situation because you do not control the link
text. Why not just make the claim that the code validates?

>> On a side note I personally found Ron's page quite usable with a
>> keyboard.
> I found it terribly confusing. I understand that people who are
> regulars on this list have a certain predisposition. That is
> understandable. But these are purely subjective issues.

Each to their own, but how about keeping your generalisations to
yourself, you sound like a bigot?

> I can look at Thatcher's page and see accessibility "features" that
> are only accessible with JavaScript running.

What is your point? You can't use javascript and accessibility in the
same sentence? Or that a web page should be exactly the same in any

> My goal is not to get a seal of approval from an accessibility "guru".
> My goal is to defend my product, and also to have some enjoyable
> debates. Perhaps no one has pressed these kinds of issues before :-)

Pressed what issues? The most you've really managed so far is to throw
around a few insults, deny your product doesn't work effectively for
people using keyboards, and demonstrate you have no interest or
understanding of accessibility issues.

I find it really interesting that you feel compelled to defend you
product in a forum where I imagine most of the members don't use DWMX.

kind regards
Terrence Wood.