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From: Keith (mteye)
Date: Thu, Jan 20 2011 2:00PM
Subject: Tutorials on Dreamweaver and blind users
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Does anybody here know of an online tutorial to help a blind person learn
how to write html using Dreamweaver?

I've found plenty on line that are full of point and click technology. The
Dreamweaver help file is chock full of good info, but again is geared to
point and click, and using inspector frames.

What's the secret for someone who's hand to eye coordination is broke? Is
there a way to access that darned inspector screen? What are some work
arounds in the menu system for finding a real dialog box to input
attributes?

Is it just me, or is it normal for text to suddenly disappear in the design
view with no apparent explanation?

I've also noticed a weird quirk where my closing tags that I include in the
code view somehow get entered redundantly, sort of.

For example:

<p>Paragraph goes here.</p>

Comes out as:

<p>Paragraph goes here.</p> p>

Hmm... maybe I'm just hacking away too fast and don't notice an auto close
on the tag, but I wish it wouldn't do that.

BTW. Hi Andrew. Thought I'd let you off the hook from my annoying questions.

Just for some background: I've been playing with html since 1999, mostly
with notepad, or some other basic text editors. I just thought I'd try to
expand my knowledge, and try to automate things with Dreamweaver. A decent
product, but I'm just climbing the learning curve, and trying to figure out
the blind guy translations from mouse click to keyboard command.

best regards,
Keith H.

From: Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson
Date: Thu, Jan 20 2011 2:18PM
Subject: Re: Tutorials on Dreamweaver and blind users
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Keith

Please keep me in the loop.
I am in the same situation.
I just purchased a student copy of DreamWeaver and am trying to figure it out.
I have the disappearing text issue myself with Jaws 12 on Windows 7,
arrowing up and down a few times seems to bring it back.
I am also very annoyed that the formatting does not show up in the
WYSIWYG window (lists, headings, links etc).
It would be very convenient, when reading over your text in the
designer window to know what is a link and what isn´t.
Agreed on the lack of non-visual tutorial for using DreamWeaver.
I can start taking notes and we can may be get some preliminary things
together, there are also some notes on Adobe's accessibility web site
for DreamWeaver, though not extensive.
I have heard that DW's "clean Word thml" works very well, though I
have yet to test it. I know Word HTML output is notoriously bad.
If that is a way to go, perhaps I could use Word to create my
documents and then clean them up and manually add necessary tags in
DW.
Thanks
-Birkir


On 1/20/11, Keith (mteye) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Does anybody here know of an online tutorial to help a blind person learn
> how to write html using Dreamweaver?
>
> I've found plenty on line that are full of point and click technology. The
> Dreamweaver help file is chock full of good info, but again is geared to
> point and click, and using inspector frames.
>
> What's the secret for someone who's hand to eye coordination is broke? Is
> there a way to access that darned inspector screen? What are some work
> arounds in the menu system for finding a real dialog box to input
> attributes?
>
> Is it just me, or is it normal for text to suddenly disappear in the design
> view with no apparent explanation?
>
> I've also noticed a weird quirk where my closing tags that I include in the
> code view somehow get entered redundantly, sort of.
>
> For example:
>
> <p>Paragraph goes here.</p>
>
> Comes out as:
>
> <p>Paragraph goes here.</p> p>
>
> Hmm... maybe I'm just hacking away too fast and don't notice an auto close
> on the tag, but I wish it wouldn't do that.
>
> BTW. Hi Andrew. Thought I'd let you off the hook from my annoying questions.
>
> Just for some background: I've been playing with html since 1999, mostly
> with notepad, or some other basic text editors. I just thought I'd try to
> expand my knowledge, and try to automate things with Dreamweaver. A decent
> product, but I'm just climbing the learning curve, and trying to figure out
> the blind guy translations from mouse click to keyboard command.
>
> best regards,
> Keith H.
>
>
>

From: Jim Allan
Date: Thu, Jan 20 2011 4:15PM
Subject: Re: Tutorials on Dreamweaver and blind users
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Dreamweaver has a feature that if you type </ it will automagically
end what ever tag is open. to turn off this feature

edit | preferences | code hints

see the section on "close tags"
your options are
after typing </
after typing the open tags ">"
never

hope that helps.

Jim

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Keith (mteye) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Does anybody here know of an online tutorial to help a blind person learn
> how to write html using Dreamweaver?
>
> I've found plenty on line that are full of point and click technology. The
> Dreamweaver help file is chock full of good info, but again is geared to
> point and click, and using inspector frames.
>
> What's the secret for someone who's hand to eye coordination is broke? Is
> there a way to access that darned inspector screen? What are some work
> arounds in the menu system for finding a real dialog box to input
> attributes?
>
> Is it just me, or is it normal for text to suddenly disappear in the design
> view with no apparent explanation?
>
> I've also noticed a weird quirk where my closing tags that I include in the
> code view somehow get entered redundantly, sort of.
>
> For example:
>
> <p>Paragraph goes here.</p>
>
> Comes out as:
>
> <p>Paragraph goes here.</p> p>
>
> Hmm... maybe I'm just hacking away too fast and don't notice an auto close
> on the tag, but I wish it wouldn't do that.
>
> BTW. Hi Andrew. Thought I'd let you off the hook from my annoying questions.
>
> Just for some background: I've been playing with html since 1999, mostly
> with notepad, or some other basic text editors. I just thought I'd try to
> expand my knowledge, and try to automate things with Dreamweaver. A decent
> product, but I'm just climbing the learning curve, and trying to figure out
> the blind guy translations from mouse click to keyboard command.
>
> best regards,
> Keith H.
>
>
>

From: Keith (mteye)
Date: Thu, Jan 20 2011 4:21PM
Subject: Re: Tutorials on Dreamweaver and blind users
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You wrote: Please keep me in the loop.
I am in the same situation.

Me: Sure thing. Contact me off list if you want, or we can share notes here
if it's allowable by the list. I'm using a Toshiba laptop, Vista Home Pro,
Jaws 10, the rapidly expiring trial of the latest DW. Thanks for the tip on
the arrowing to bring text back.

You: It would be very convenient, when reading over your text in the
designer window to know what is a link and what isn´t.

Me: I thought I saw something in a help file chapter about that. I generally
do a quick save, then open the saved html file in a regular browser.

You: I can start taking notes and we can may be get some preliminary things
together, there are also some notes on Adobe's accessibility web site

Me: Great, I think I have a few paragraphs of notes, but I'm sure I'll have
more soon.

You: I have heard that DW's "clean Word thml" works very well, though I
have yet to test it. I know Word HTML output is notoriously bad.
If that is a way to go, perhaps I could use Word to create my
documents and then clean them up and manually add necessary tags in
DW.


Me: I've had the same idea. I started to play with it the other day, but my
multitasking led to overload and I had to reboot my brain.

ffrom
Keith H