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From: Angela French
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2013 2:55PM
Subject: what is perceived when using Forms Mode
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Hello,
Can anyone please tell me what the screen reader user perceives when in forms mode? I am wondering, is it just the labels and input elements? Specifically, if an error message is displayed in a span and is not part of the <label> tag for that element, will it be perceived?
Thank you!
Angela French
Internet Specialist
State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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From: Tony Olivero
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2013 3:04PM
Subject: Re: what is perceived when using Forms Mode
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Angela,
if the span is not part of the label, not associated with the form
element through ARIA, and not keyboard focusable,the screen reader
will ignore it in forms mode.
Tony
On 4/11/13, Angela French < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello,
> Can anyone please tell me what the screen reader user perceives when in
> forms mode? I am wondering, is it just the labels and input elements?
> Specifically, if an error message is displayed in a span and is not part of
> the <label> tag for that element, will it be perceived?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet Specialist
> State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
>
> > > >
From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2013 3:04PM
Subject: Re: what is perceived when using Forms Mode
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Angela
I believe it would not be automatically spoken, no, not unless you use
aria live regions trickery.
If you have an url to a specific page where this can be tested, I'd be
happy to check it with Jaws, NVDA and Supernova.
Remember that once a user clicks something like "submit" usually he
would transition out of forms mode automatically, so this would only
apply to "inline error handling" so to speak.
If the error check happens after user hits submit, the focus could be
moved to that div/span/whatever.
hth
-B
On 4/11/13, Angela French < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello,
> Can anyone please tell me what the screen reader user perceives when in
> forms mode? I am wondering, is it just the labels and input elements?
> Specifically, if an error message is displayed in a span and is not part of
> the <label> tag for that element, will it be perceived?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet Specialist
> State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.checkoutacollege.com/
>
> > > >
From: Angela French
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2013 3:21PM
Subject: Re: what is perceived when using Forms Mode
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>Angela,
>
>if the span is not part of the label, not associated with the form element
>through ARIA, and not keyboard focusable,the screen reader will ignore it in
>forms mode.
>
>Tony
>
If the validation error is displayed upon the element losing focus does the screen reader user perceive it, considering that he/she has already "passed" that form element? Even if ARIA is used in the span to associate it with the element?
Angela
From: Tony Olivero
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2013 3:32PM
Subject: Re: what is perceived when using Forms Mode
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Are you asking about an error that pops up only after the field is
blurred, not on page refresh or load? You could handle this in a
couple of ways to ensure screen readers see it.
1) as soon as the error condition is raised, bounce the focus back to
the erroring field and use aria-describedby in the input field to
associate it with the id of the error message span.
2) provide a link in the error message to correct the error; make this
link the text of the error message, set the destination to be the
field in error and make sure the link gets focused so the user doesn't
accidentally skip past it.
3) include the error message span in the label and position with css.
Again, focus the error field when the error is raised. This ensures
compatibility with AT and browser combinations that might not fully
support ARIA yet.
Tony
Sent from my wireless phone. Pith is intentional; typos or perceived
abruptness are not.
On Apr 11, 2013, at 16:21, Angela French < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Angela,
>>
>> if the span is not part of the label, not associated with the form element
>> through ARIA, and not keyboard focusable,the screen reader will ignore it in
>> forms mode.
>>
>> Tony
>
> If the validation error is displayed upon the element losing focus does the screen reader user perceive it, considering that he/she has already "passed" that form element? Even if ARIA is used in the span to associate it with the element?
>
> Angela
>
> > >
From: Angela French
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2013 3:43PM
Subject: Re: what is perceived when using Forms Mode
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>If you have an url to a specific page where this can be tested, I'd be happy to
>check it with Jaws, NVDA and Supernova.
>-B
>
Birkir -
I would love to have a few screen reader users test a couple of forms when we get done making improvements to them. I would like to share the URL off-list though. Would anyone else be interested ? We'd be grateful.
Thanks,
Angela French
From: Hoger, Jodie
Date: Thu, Apr 11 2013 5:35PM
Subject: Re: what is perceived when using Forms Mode
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Hi Angela, I am a window eyes user and would be happy to test your site however I am an end user, not knowledgable as far as the technicalities of the build so as long as I can be useful, I am happy to test - smile.
Thanks,
Jo.
Jodie Hoger
Teacher Consultant (Vision), Equity Services, Illawarra Institute.
Building L1.14, 60 Bienda St. Bomaderry NSW 2541.
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www.illawarra.tafensw.edu.au
Proverb: Give a person a fish and they will have food for a day. Teach a person to fish and they will have food for life.
On 12/04/2013, at 7:44 AM, "Angela French" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> If you have an url to a specific page where this can be tested, I'd be happy to
>> check it with Jaws, NVDA and Supernova.
>> -B
>>
>
> Birkir -
> I would love to have a few screen reader users test a couple of forms when we get done making improvements to them. I would like to share the URL off-list though. Would anyone else be interested ? We'd be grateful.
>
> Thanks,
> Angela French
>
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