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From: Jim Homme
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 8:17AM
Subject: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi,
What is the best tool or method for doing WCAG contrast testing in MS Word 2016? I know "best" is not the right word choice, but I wanted to start looking at tools for doing this kind of thing.

Thanks.

Jim

=========Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
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From: L Snider
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 8:29AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi Jim,

One that has been on my list to try out is DAT:
https://www.visionaustralia.org/dat

It has a built in checker. I use the fast insider for Word, so I wasn't
sure it would work with that setting.

For colour blind checking, I screen print it and put it through a colour
blind checker. Not 100% proof as the jpg could distort a tiny bit, but it
gets the job done okay. Better if they worked with .tiffs.

Cheers

Lisa

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Jim Homme < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi,
> What is the best tool or method for doing WCAG contrast testing in MS Word
> 2016? I know "best" is not the right word choice, but I wanted to start
> looking at tools for doing this kind of thing.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> =========> Jim Homme,
> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
> 412-787-8567,
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
> accessible-technology-solutions
> E+R=O
>
> > > > >

From: Preast, Vanessa
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 9:41AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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I've tried out DAT with mixed success. I tend to prefer using Paciello Group's Colour Contrast Analyser at https://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrastanalyser/. Fortunately, most of the documents I've reviewed are primarily black on white with a few bits of color here and there, so the checking is easy.

What colour blind checker do you use that checks jpg images?

Vanessa

From: L Snider
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 9:49AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi Vanessa,

Can you share what DAT did? I am just curious. It seemed too good to be
true!

I like this checker because if you choose monochromatic, it can double as
grey scale checking.
http://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/

Vischeck has been around forever, but I now like Coblis better
http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckImage.php

Cheers

Lisa



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Preast, Vanessa < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> I've tried out DAT with mixed success. I tend to prefer using Paciello
> Group's Colour Contrast Analyser at https://www.paciellogroup.com/
> resources/contrastanalyser/. Fortunately, most of the documents I've
> reviewed are primarily black on white with a few bits of color here and
> there, so the checking is easy.
>
> What colour blind checker do you use that checks jpg images?
>
> Vanessa
>
>

From: L Snider
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 9:50AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Oh and Coblis isn't always totally accurate, but I figure none of them
are...I always do multiple checks on both sites, just to see the
differences.

Cheers

Lisa

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:49 AM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi Vanessa,
>
> Can you share what DAT did? I am just curious. It seemed too good to be
> true!
>
> I like this checker because if you choose monochromatic, it can double as
> grey scale checking.
> http://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/
>
> Vischeck has been around forever, but I now like Coblis better
> http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckImage.php
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Preast, Vanessa < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>
>> I've tried out DAT with mixed success. I tend to prefer using Paciello
>> Group's Colour Contrast Analyser at https://www.paciellogroup.com/
>> resources/contrastanalyser/. Fortunately, most of the documents I've
>> reviewed are primarily black on white with a few bits of color here and
>> there, so the checking is easy.
>>
>> What colour blind checker do you use that checks jpg images?
>>
>> Vanessa
>>
>>

From: Metzessible
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 11:01AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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I like the one from Webaim (http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/)
because it lets me change the colors. But if I'm just auditing (where I
don't need to fix it), I prefer the one from TPG because even when the
contrast passes, you can see how it will be presented to people with
different types of color blindness.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:50 AM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Oh and Coblis isn't always totally accurate, but I figure none of them
> are...I always do multiple checks on both sites, just to see the
> differences.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:49 AM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi Vanessa,
> >
> > Can you share what DAT did? I am just curious. It seemed too good to be
> > true!
> >
> > I like this checker because if you choose monochromatic, it can double as
> > grey scale checking.
> > http://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/
> >
> > Vischeck has been around forever, but I now like Coblis better
> > http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckImage.php
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Preast, Vanessa <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I've tried out DAT with mixed success. I tend to prefer using Paciello
> >> Group's Colour Contrast Analyser at https://www.paciellogroup.com/
> >> resources/contrastanalyser/. Fortunately, most of the documents I've
> >> reviewed are primarily black on white with a few bits of color here and
> >> there, so the checking is easy.
> >>
> >> What colour blind checker do you use that checks jpg images?
> >>
> >> Vanessa
> >>
> >>

From: Jim Homme
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:12PM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi,
One reason for asking is that as far as I can tell, screen reader users can't run the MS Office accessibility checking tool.

Thanks.

Jim


=========Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567,
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O

From: L Snider
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 12:25PM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi Jim,

Ah okay. The Word checker wouldn't help with contrast anyway, but I am sure
other list members could recommend the most accessible one for people using
it. I might suggest a couple, but I haven't tested them for a long time.

Oh and is this Word 2016? What screen reader and version?

Cheers

Lisa

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Jim Homme < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi,
> One reason for asking is that as far as I can tell, screen reader users
> can't run the MS Office accessibility checking tool.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> =========> Jim Homme,
> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
> 412-787-8567,
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
> accessible-technology-solutions
> E+R=O
>
>

From: Jared Smith
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 3:05PM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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> I like the one from Webaim (http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/)
> because it lets me change the colors.

We just now published several updates and improvements to our contrast
checking tool - http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/

Feedback is very welcome.

Jared Smith
WebAIM.org

From: L Snider
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 3:10PM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Love the improved Webaim interface! I had moved away from the old one, but
now I would move back to this as it gives me all the functionality I need
to use.

Cheers

Lisa

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Jared Smith < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> > I like the one from Webaim (http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/
> )
> > because it lets me change the colors.
>
> We just now published several updates and improvements to our contrast
> checking tool - http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/
>
> Feedback is very welcome.
>
> Jared Smith
> WebAIM.org
> > > > >

From: Sarah Ferguson
Date: Thu, Aug 31 2017 4:02PM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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I just noticed the changes on WebAIM myself, very clean and easy to read.
My not so tech-savvy web editors will be pleased :)

Sarah Ferguson



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:10 PM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Love the improved Webaim interface! I had moved away from the old one, but
> now I would move back to this as it gives me all the functionality I need
> to use.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Jared Smith < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > > I like the one from Webaim (http://webaim.org/resources/
> contrastchecker/
> > )
> > > because it lets me change the colors.
> >
> > We just now published several updates and improvements to our contrast
> > checking tool - http://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/
> >
> > Feedback is very welcome.
> >
> > Jared Smith
> > WebAIM.org
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >

From: Preast, Vanessa
Date: Fri, Sep 01 2017 6:05AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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DAT adds an "accessibility" tab in Word. This tab includes a "button" that can conduct a color contrast analysis. This tool indicates that there is an issue with Word 2013 and 2016 that currently only allows analysis of 1000 characters at a time. (I don't know if this is fixed yet...I downloaded it at least 6-12 months ago) I noticed that the interface is not entirely intuitive. When I intentionally put in two color contrast problems, it identified both, but somehow I managed to skip by the first and then after that, it would never identify that first problem again. For the second problem, it did provide the color contrast and even allowed me to identify and apply a new, more contrast-friendly color. These were nice features. Apparently, it also will not necessarily check the text color against different color backgrounds. This tool seems like a great idea and I hope they further refine it. In the meantime, I've come to the conclusion that I'd end up testing some instances of color using the Colour Contrast Analyser anyway, so why bother with the "automatic" one in DAT.

Paciello Group's Colour Contrast Analyser is very well designed and allows me to check color on two items on the screen including text on websites, documents, powerpoints, software tools, etc. It works on multiple monitors, uses a nice color eyedropper tool, and clearly reports the color contrast ratio and whether it passes the AA and AAA levels. It, however, does not automatically seek out color contrast issues, so the user must first note potential areas of concern and then use the analyser to test.

Hope this helps.
Vanessa

From: Jim Homme
Date: Fri, Sep 01 2017 8:31AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi,
As a screen reader user, is it possible to also have the color picker use color names, or have a different color picker on the page that uses color names? The color names it would use would be the ones browsers comonly recognize, and the hex values would be the default hex values browsers use for the names. And I think I may have a link to that information somewhere.

Thanks.

Jim


=========Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567,
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O

From: Jared Smith
Date: Fri, Sep 01 2017 8:45AM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Jim -

The color picker uses <input type="color"> which generates the OS
native color picker. This greatly simplifies things and allow
accessibility of the picker in the method prescribed by the OS. We
think this approach is much better than us generating a custom and
inherently complex color picker.

The Mac color picker, for example, allows the selection of numerous
colors based on name, though these don't align exactly with the
HTML/CSS color names. Unfortunately Safari doesn't yet support the
color input, though it will in the next version.

Thanks,

Jared

From: Jim Homme
Date: Fri, Sep 01 2017 1:10PM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi Jared,
Perfectly valid explanation in my view. Not satisfying, but totally logical. One reason for the ask is that as a blind web deeveloper, I would feel somewhat more comfortable with a shot at color names as a way to at least pick colors that look half OK. Then someone sighted can adjust from there.

Thanks.

Jim


=========Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567,
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O

From: L Snider
Date: Fri, Sep 01 2017 4:56PM
Subject: Re: Contrast Testing in MS Word
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Hi Vanessa,

Interesting about DAT, thanks for sharing. I like CCA too, but use a bunch
of them depending on the situation (website, app or document). We have so
many options today, it is awesome!

Cheers

Lisa

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Preast, Vanessa < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> DAT adds an "accessibility" tab in Word. This tab includes a "button" that
> can conduct a color contrast analysis. This tool indicates that there is an
> issue with Word 2013 and 2016 that currently only allows analysis of 1000
> characters at a time. (I don't know if this is fixed yet...I downloaded it
> at least 6-12 months ago) I noticed that the interface is not entirely
> intuitive. When I intentionally put in two color contrast problems, it
> identified both, but somehow I managed to skip by the first and then after
> that, it would never identify that first problem again. For the second
> problem, it did provide the color contrast and even allowed me to identify
> and apply a new, more contrast-friendly color. These were nice features.
> Apparently, it also will not necessarily check the text color against
> different color backgrounds. This tool seems like a great idea and I hope
> they further refine it. In the meantime, I've come to the conclusion that
> I'd end up testing some instances of color using the Colour Contrast
> Analyser anyway, so why bother with the "automatic" one in DAT.
>
> Paciello Group's Colour Contrast Analyser is very well designed and allows
> me to check color on two items on the screen including text on websites,
> documents, powerpoints, software tools, etc. It works on multiple monitors,
> uses a nice color eyedropper tool, and clearly reports the color contrast
> ratio and whether it passes the AA and AAA levels. It, however, does not
> automatically seek out color contrast issues, so the user must first note
> potential areas of concern and then use the analyser to test.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Vanessa
>
>