E-mail List Archives
Thread: Tool tips and screen readers
Number of posts in this thread: 7 (In chronological order)
From: Joelle Tegwen
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2006 12:30PM
Subject: Tool tips and screen readers
No previous message | Next message →
I'm working on this page
http://ici1.umn.edu/beta/nceo/tooltips/accommodations/response.asp
(looks horrible in IE until you hover over enough of the oddly
positioned links and I'm working on that. if you have any ideas I 'd
love to hear it.) to create tool tips that show extra information and
I'm wondering about screen readers and other accessibility.
Someone suggested using <a title=""> instead and I'm wondering how that
gets processed by the screen reader. Does it still read the link text?
How about the method that I used. Does it read the information in the
<span> at all? If not is there a way to get around this?
I've been moving out of the css realm so I'm a little rusty and would
appreciate any help or suggestions.
Thanks
Joelle Tegwen
From: Karl Groves
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2006 12:45PM
Subject: RE: Tool tips and screen readers
← Previous message | Next message →
I don't believe that the title attribute is going to do what you're looking
for. Support for it among adaptive technology is rather spotty.
http://www.sf.id.au/WE05/forms.html
Karl L. Groves
Director of Web Development
User-Centered Design, Inc.
Office: 703-729-0998
Mobile: 571-214-1714
E-Mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Web: http://www.user-centereddesign.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Joelle Tegwen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Tool tips and screen readers
>
> I'm working on this page
> http://ici1.umn.edu/beta/nceo/tooltips/accommodations/response.asp
> (looks horrible in IE until you hover over enough of the
> oddly positioned links and I'm working on that. if you have
> any ideas I 'd love to hear it.) to create tool tips that
> show extra information and I'm wondering about screen readers
> and other accessibility.
>
> Someone suggested using <a title=""> instead and I'm
> wondering how that gets processed by the screen reader. Does
> it still read the link text?
> How about the method that I used. Does it read the
> information in the <span> at all? If not is there a way to
> get around this?
>
> I've been moving out of the css realm so I'm a little rusty
> and would appreciate any help or suggestions.
>
> Thanks
> Joelle Tegwen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: Wayne Dick
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2006 1:00PM
Subject: Re: Tool tips and screen readers
← Previous message | Next message →
Hi Joelle,
I just tried it with MS IE mediated by
IBM's WebAdapt2Me. It worked pretty
well. The hover stuff is quite odd.
Sincerely
Wayne Dick
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:29:25 -0600
Joelle Tegwen < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> I'm working on this page
>http://ici1.umn.edu/beta/nceo/tooltips/accommodations/response.asp
>(looks horrible in IE until you hover
>over enough of the oddly positioned
>links and I'm working on that. if you
>have any ideas I 'd love to hear it.)
>to create tool tips that show extra
>information and I'm wondering about
>screen readers and other
>accessibility.
>
> Someone suggested using <a title="">
>instead and I'm wondering how that
>gets processed by the screen reader.
>Does it still read the link text?
> How about the method that I used.
>Does it read the information in the
><span> at all? If not is there a way
>to get around this?
>
> I've been moving out of the css
>realm so I'm a little rusty and would
>appreciate any help or suggestions.
>
> Thanks
> Joelle Tegwen
>
>
>
> To manage your subscription, visit
>http://list.webaim.org/
> Address list messages to
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Wayne Dick PhD
Chair Computer Engineering and
Computer Science
Director WebAdapt2Me Project at CSULB
From: Martin Pistorius
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2006 1:30PM
Subject: Re: Tool tips and screen readers
← Previous message | Next message →
Hi there,
I'm working on a Sub-site and I found Joelle's post interesting not only for
its content but also for the issue in IE 6 because I've done something, and
I haven't worked out what but something, I suspect in the CSS is cause IE 6
to crash, particularly if you "hover" over the links. At first I thought it
was just my PC, but I posted the development pages on a server today for
comments from my colleagues, and they found the same problem.
I don't know has anybody come across this Bug before?
I've also got another problem with Firefox 1.5.01 its applying the effects
set to for hyperlinks to the normal text (i.e. not a hyperlink) and I
haven't worked out why yet either. Any ideas?
I suspect its got something to do with the a:focus, a:hover and a:active
properties in the CSS. What I'm trying to achieve is to increase the
visibility of where the focus is on the page when Tabbing, much like it is
on the webaim site, as I'm a person with a disability and either use a head
mouse or the Tab key to navigate and it can be really difficult to see where
you are on the page when Tabbing through the links on some pages.
Now, I am very new and quite inexperienced to web site development so
perhaps this is just a "newbie's" mistake. Also, I know my is code a little
messy at the moment, I'll tidy it up by the time the site gets released to
the public but you can view the initial development pages and the bugs here:
http://www.caac.up.ac.za/sanpad/
Martin Pistorius
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joelle Tegwen" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: [WebAIM] Tool tips and screen readers
> I'm working on this page
> http://ici1.umn.edu/beta/nceo/tooltips/accommodations/response.asp (looks
> horrible in IE until you hover over enough of the oddly positioned links
> and I'm working on that. if you have any ideas I 'd love to hear it.) to
> create tool tips that show extra information and I'm wondering about
> screen readers and other accessibility.
>
> Someone suggested using <a title=""> instead and I'm wondering how that
> gets processed by the screen reader. Does it still read the link text?
> How about the method that I used. Does it read the information in the
> <span> at all? If not is there a way to get around this?
>
> I've been moving out of the css realm so I'm a little rusty and would
> appreciate any help or suggestions.
>
> Thanks
> Joelle Tegwen
>
>
>
>
>
From: Shawn Lawler
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2006 2:45PM
Subject: RE: Tool tips and screen readers
← Previous message | Next message →
Martin,
I took a glance through your markup...
It's pretty messy in there; as in it isn't valid markup (example: you're
using id="leftnav" more than once - id's can be used only once per page).
You'll want to use the w3c validation service to check your code - once
you've done this you'll have a stable place to start looking for fixes to
your remaining bugs.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.caac.up.ac.za%2Fsanpad%2F
Shawn Lawler
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Martin Pistorius
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:23 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tool tips and screen readers
Hi there,
I'm working on a Sub-site and I found Joelle's post interesting not only for
its content but also for the issue in IE 6 because I've done something, and
I haven't worked out what but something, I suspect in the CSS is cause IE 6
to crash, particularly if you "hover" over the links. At first I thought it
was just my PC, but I posted the development pages on a server today for
comments from my colleagues, and they found the same problem.
I don't know has anybody come across this Bug before?
I've also got another problem with Firefox 1.5.01 its applying the effects
set to for hyperlinks to the normal text (i.e. not a hyperlink) and I
haven't worked out why yet either. Any ideas?
I suspect its got something to do with the a:focus, a:hover and a:active
properties in the CSS. What I'm trying to achieve is to increase the
visibility of where the focus is on the page when Tabbing, much like it is
on the webaim site, as I'm a person with a disability and either use a head
mouse or the Tab key to navigate and it can be really difficult to see where
you are on the page when Tabbing through the links on some pages.
Now, I am very new and quite inexperienced to web site development so
perhaps this is just a "newbie's" mistake. Also, I know my is code a little
messy at the moment, I'll tidy it up by the time the site gets released to
the public but you can view the initial development pages and the bugs here:
http://www.caac.up.ac.za/sanpad/
Martin Pistorius
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joelle Tegwen" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: [WebAIM] Tool tips and screen readers
> I'm working on this page
> http://ici1.umn.edu/beta/nceo/tooltips/accommodations/response.asp (looks
> horrible in IE until you hover over enough of the oddly positioned links
> and I'm working on that. if you have any ideas I 'd love to hear it.) to
> create tool tips that show extra information and I'm wondering about
> screen readers and other accessibility.
>
> Someone suggested using <a title=""> instead and I'm wondering how that
> gets processed by the screen reader. Does it still read the link text?
> How about the method that I used. Does it read the information in the
> <span> at all? If not is there a way to get around this?
>
> I've been moving out of the css realm so I'm a little rusty and would
> appreciate any help or suggestions.
>
> Thanks
> Joelle Tegwen
>
>
>
>
>
From: Karl Groves
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2006 3:15PM
Subject: RE: Tool tips and screen readers
← Previous message | Next message →
This seems a lot like it is more a usability problem than an accessibility
one.
It looks like you're attempting to find "workarounds" for something that
really wouldn't be an issue if the IA was better.
Karl L. Groves
Director of Web Development
User-Centered Design, Inc.
Office: 703-729-0998
Mobile: 571-214-1714
E-Mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Web: http://www.user-centereddesign.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Joelle Tegwen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:01 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Tool tips and screen readers
>
> Yeah, I'm not sure if we'll do it, but it's a lot of clicking
> to get just one piece of information so I wanted to be able
> to give people the information without making them go to the
> next page.
>
> Thanks for looking at it for me.
>
> Joelle
>
> Wayne Dick wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Joelle,
> >
> > I just tried it with MS IE mediated by IBM's WebAdapt2Me.
> It worked
> > pretty well. The hover stuff is quite odd.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Wayne Dick
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:29:25 -0600
> > Joelle Tegwen < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm working on this page
> >> http://ici1.umn.edu/beta/nceo/tooltips/accommodations/response.asp
> >> (looks horrible in IE until you hover over enough of the oddly
> >> positioned links and I'm working on that. if you have any
> ideas I 'd
> >> love to hear it.) to create tool tips that show extra
> information and
> >> I'm wondering about screen readers and other accessibility.
> >>
> >> Someone suggested using <a title=""> instead and I'm wondering how
> >> that gets processed by the screen reader. Does it still
> read the link
> >> text?
> >> How about the method that I used. Does it read the
> information in the
> >> <span> at all? If not is there a way to get around this?
> >>
> >> I've been moving out of the css realm so I'm a little
> rusty and would
> >> appreciate any help or suggestions.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Joelle Tegwen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Address
> >> list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
> >
> > Wayne Dick PhD
> > Chair Computer Engineering and Computer Science Director
> WebAdapt2Me
> > Project at CSULB
> > Address
> > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: Joelle Tegwen
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2006 3:30PM
Subject: Re: Tool tips and screen readers
← Previous message | No next message
Yeah, I'm not sure if we'll do it, but it's a lot of clicking to get
just one piece of information so I wanted to be able to give people the
information without making them go to the next page.
Thanks for looking at it for me.
Joelle
Wayne Dick wrote:
>
> Hi Joelle,
>
> I just tried it with MS IE mediated by IBM's WebAdapt2Me. It worked
> pretty well. The hover stuff is quite odd.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Wayne Dick
>
>
>
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:29:25 -0600
> Joelle Tegwen < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> I'm working on this page
>> http://ici1.umn.edu/beta/nceo/tooltips/accommodations/response.asp
>> (looks horrible in IE until you hover over enough of the oddly
>> positioned links and I'm working on that. if you have any ideas I 'd
>> love to hear it.) to create tool tips that show extra information and
>> I'm wondering about screen readers and other accessibility.
>>
>> Someone suggested using <a title=""> instead and I'm wondering how
>> that gets processed by the screen reader. Does it still read the link
>> text?
>> How about the method that I used. Does it read the information in the
>> <span> at all? If not is there a way to get around this?
>>
>> I've been moving out of the css realm so I'm a little rusty and would
>> appreciate any help or suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Joelle Tegwen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Wayne Dick PhD
> Chair Computer Engineering and Computer Science
> Director WebAdapt2Me Project at CSULB
>
>
>
>