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From: glen walker
Date: Tue, Apr 20 2021 2:26PM
Subject: Should NVDA announce "table" when it encounters CSS display:table ?
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I found a page that has a <div style="display:table">. On Chrome, when I
tab to an <input> contained in that <div>, NVDA announces "table" before it
announces the input field. JAWS does not say "table".

If I view the accessibility properties in Chrome, it says the role is
LayoutTable. A LayoutTable is not a real role with regards to ARIA roles.

Even though NVDA says "table", you can't use any table navigation keys.

I find this quite confusing. Should Chrome not be surfacing that this is a
layout table? role="table" isn't specified anywhere. But whether a layout
table is correct or not, JAWS seems to ignore it but NVDA does not.

Firefox does not announce "table" so there's no confusion there.

I took a quick look at NVDA bugs in github but didn't see anything offhand,
but then I didn't look very hard.

This simple example shows the problem. The two button elements are only
there to give me tab stops before and after the input field.

<button>foo</button>
<div style="display:table">
<input>
</div>
<button>foo</button>

From: Steve Green
Date: Tue, Apr 20 2021 3:49PM
Subject: Re: Should NVDA announce "table" when it encounters CSSdisplay:table ?
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As far as I can tell, browsers are supposed to expose the node as a table.

I expect that JAWS is not announcing it as a table because one of its heuristics is that a data table contains at least two rows and two columns, which your example does not. If you built a table of that size using div elements and the relevant table-cell and table-row roles, JAWS would probably announce it as a table.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd

From: Jim Bauer
Date: Tue, Apr 20 2021 4:02PM
Subject: Re: Should NVDA announce "table" when it encounters CSS display:table ?
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This is an open NVDA issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9760

On 4/20/2021 3:26 PM, glen walker wrote:
> I found a page that has a <div style="display:table">. On Chrome, when I
> tab to an <input> contained in that <div>, NVDA announces "table" before it
> announces the input field. JAWS does not say "table".
>
> If I view the accessibility properties in Chrome, it says the role is
> LayoutTable. A LayoutTable is not a real role with regards to ARIA roles.
>
> Even though NVDA says "table", you can't use any table navigation keys.
>
> I find this quite confusing. Should Chrome not be surfacing that this is a
> layout table? role="table" isn't specified anywhere. But whether a layout
> table is correct or not, JAWS seems to ignore it but NVDA does not.
>
> Firefox does not announce "table" so there's no confusion there.
>
> I took a quick look at NVDA bugs in github but didn't see anything offhand,
> but then I didn't look very hard.
>
> This simple example shows the problem. The two button elements are only
> there to give me tab stops before and after the input field.
>
> <button>foo</button>
> <div style="display:table">
> <input>
> </div>
> <button>foo</button>
> > > >

From: Michael Ausbun
Date: Tue, Apr 20 2021 4:22PM
Subject: Re: Should NVDA announce "table" when it encountersCSSdisplay:table ?
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From: Benjamin.Hofer
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2021 12:14AM
Subject: Re: Should NVDA announce "table" when itencountersCSSdisplay:table ?
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Hi, as stated before, layout tables are no "real" tables and thus aren't particularly announced by screen readers. Actually this is a feature of screen readers that layout tables are recognized and "ignored". JAWS, but also NVDA offers this setting to be toggled on/off: In NVDA go to settings > Browse Mode and search for the corresponding option for announcing layout tables, it should be toggled off by default.

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For what it is worth,
In the JAWS settings, you can turn on recognition of layout tables, though by default I believe this option is toggled off.
I almost never find them…particularly helpful, so I, as a user, would prefer layout tables to be ignored…but as an accessibility professional, I do have the setting on…for authenticity sakes.
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As far as I can tell, browsers are supposed to expose the node as a table.

I expect that JAWS is not announcing it as a table because one of its heuristics is that a data table contains at least two rows and two columns, which your example does not. If you built a table of that size using div elements and the relevant table-cell and table-row roles, JAWS would probably announce it as a table.

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From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2021 10:20AM
Subject: Re: Should NVDA announce "table" when itencountersCSS display:table ?
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Is there some confusion here going on between <table> HTML designs that are only used for layout and CSS tables?

The original posting specifically mentioned table in the style, not the HTML.
Apparently, NVDA recognizes the CSS table, but does not further process it.
Traditionally, layout tables are HTML elements s <table>, <tr>, <th?, <tbody> that have no <th? elements, or are quite small.

No wonder, screen reader users with no HTML understanding get confused, most don't care as long as it reads sensibly.
Jonathan

From: glen walker
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2021 1:01PM
Subject: Re: Should NVDA announce "table" when it encounters CSS display:table ?
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Thanks, Jonathan. I was about to mention that. This isn't a page with
"traditional" layout tables that use <table> elements for pure layout
purposes. This is a page that is using CSS display:table. There are no
table semantics in the html and there are no ARIA roles specified on the
page. I was surprised NVDA+Chrome announced it as a table.

I know the opposite is typically surfaced. If I have a real <table>
element and I apply display:block or display:inline or almost anything that
changes it from the default display:table that the screen reader no longer
thinks the table is a table anymore.


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Is there some confusion here going on between <table> HTML designs that
> are only used for layout and CSS tables?
>
> The original posting specifically mentioned table in the style, not the
> HTML.
> Apparently, NVDA recognizes the CSS table, but does not further process
> it.
> Traditionally, layout tables are HTML elements s <table>, <tr>, <th?,
> <tbody> that have no <th? elements, or are quite small.
>
> No wonder, screen reader users with no HTML understanding get confused,
> most don't care as long as it reads sensibly.
> Jonathan
>
> > > > >

From: Farough, David (CFP/PSC)
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2021 9:16AM
Subject: Re: Should NVDA announce "table" when it encounters CSS display:table ?
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We currently have an application which uses display table.
We have recently noticed that this can modify the groupings of radio buttons. Jaws and NVDA will, when focussing on a radio button, speak the control but report it's position
as being "1 of 1" instead of it's Propper position within the group.

This behaviour occurs in Firefox 89 and Microsoft Edge
This does not occur in Firefox though.
We are hoping that using the presentation role on the div will correct this.