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From: Radhika Soni
Date: Wed, May 19 2021 7:15AM
Subject: Text exposed on Hover
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Good Morning Everyone,
How would you solve for when some text on the image is exposed on hover?
Any ideas?
Is it ok to provide keyboard focus to the text in that case?
Regards,
-Radhika
From: Sandy Feldman
Date: Wed, May 19 2021 8:19AM
Subject: Re: Text exposed on Hover
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hey Radhika,
I've got that on the social media links on my site, sandyfeldman.com.
<https://sandyfeldman.com/> Is that what you mean? I use CSS to change
the text from transparent to opaque on hover and focus.
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Sandy
sandyfeldman.com
On 2021-05-19 9:15 a.m., Radhika Soni wrote:
> Good Morning Everyone,
>
> How would you solve for when some text on the image is exposed on hover?
> Any ideas?
> Is it ok to provide keyboard focus to the text in that case?
>
>
> Regards,
> -Radhika
> > > >
From: Mark Magennis
Date: Wed, May 19 2021 8:25AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Text exposed on Hover
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If the image is a focusable element (e.g. a button or a link) then all you have to do is make sure the text is also exposed on focus (and ensure that a screen reader announces it of course).
But I suspect your image is not focusable. So you have a problem. You should not make it focusable purely in order to cause it to show the text because being focusable means it is interactive (it does something when you click on it). So non-interactive elements should not receive focus while tabbing. The same is true of making the text itself keyboard focusable. If it were to appear and be given focus while tabbing, that would not be correct behaviour because it is not an interactive element.
An alternative is to make the image a button that is clicked to show the text. This is sometimes referred to as a 'toggletip', which is a way to solve the problems I've described of having tooltips attached to non-interactive elements.
Mark
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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Radhika Soni
Sent: 19 May 2021 14:15
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [WebAIM] Text exposed on Hover
Good Morning Everyone,
How would you solve for when some text on the image is exposed on hover?
Any ideas?
Is it ok to provide keyboard focus to the text in that case?
Regards,
-Radhika
From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Wed, May 19 2021 11:55AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Text exposed on Hover
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A few things to think about:
* A non-focusable element that requires a hover is a keyboard accessibility fail
* An interactive control that only reveals text on hover but not on
focus ditto (this can be fixed by listening for device independent
events instead of, or in addition to, mouse events), but it's only a
partial solution
* an interactive element that requires focus to reveal text can be an
"accessible name" fail in its initial state, a tool like axe will flag
it as such. Also a screen reader user navigating by means other than
the tab key will navigate to the element and see no text. This could
be remediated by making the text visually hidden (instead of totally
hidden) and change the CSS class from a visually hidden to a visible
one on hover and focus, but it's still not perfect.
* A mobile device does not have hover or focus events, so revealing
text based on those events will likely cause major issues on mobile
devices (for all users).
* If the interactive element has a visible icon at all times but text
only on hover/focus, you could say it's ok (as long as you use screen
reader only text or aria-label to ensure text is always available to a
screen reader user).
So, based on the element, there are options, but I always come to the
same conclution, relying on hover/focus events to display text is
always going to cause complications and result in some sort of
accessibility challenges. If the text is important enough to be
visible to all, make it visible to all at all times. If not, wonder
why the text is needed at all (if icon is sufficient, use screen
reader equivalent).
On 5/19/21, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> If the image is a focusable element (e.g. a button or a link) then all you
> have to do is make sure the text is also exposed on focus (and ensure that a
> screen reader announces it of course).
>
> But I suspect your image is not focusable. So you have a problem. You should
> not make it focusable purely in order to cause it to show the text because
> being focusable means it is interactive (it does something when you click on
> it). So non-interactive elements should not receive focus while tabbing. The
> same is true of making the text itself keyboard focusable. If it were to
> appear and be given focus while tabbing, that would not be correct behaviour
> because it is not an interactive element.
>
> An alternative is to make the image a button that is clicked to show the
> text. This is sometimes referred to as a 'toggletip', which is a way to
> solve the problems I've described of having tooltips attached to
> non-interactive elements.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Radhika Soni
> Sent: 19 May 2021 14:15
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [WebAIM] Text exposed on Hover
>
> Good Morning Everyone,
>
> How would you solve for when some text on the image is exposed on hover?
> Any ideas?
> Is it ok to provide keyboard focus to the text in that case?
>
>
> Regards,
> -Radhika
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >
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From: Radhika Soni
Date: Tue, May 25 2021 2:23PM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Text exposed on Hover
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Thanks for the feedback. Also, would like to know, that nowadays on many
ecommerce sites, we do see different product image on hover? What do you
think? Would you call them accessible? And if not, how can we make them
accessible? Any ideas would be appreciated.
Have a great week ahead!
Refer this site ( Check for product listing, as you hover on them you see
different image) -https://www.adidas.com/us/member_exclusive
Regards,
-Radhika
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 1:56 PM Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> A few things to think about:
> * A non-focusable element that requires a hover is a keyboard
> accessibility fail
> * An interactive control that only reveals text on hover but not on
> focus ditto (this can be fixed by listening for device independent
> events instead of, or in addition to, mouse events), but it's only a
> partial solution
> * an interactive element that requires focus to reveal text can be an
> "accessible name" fail in its initial state, a tool like axe will flag
> it as such. Also a screen reader user navigating by means other than
> the tab key will navigate to the element and see no text. This could
> be remediated by making the text visually hidden (instead of totally
> hidden) and change the CSS class from a visually hidden to a visible
> one on hover and focus, but it's still not perfect.
> * A mobile device does not have hover or focus events, so revealing
> text based on those events will likely cause major issues on mobile
> devices (for all users).
> * If the interactive element has a visible icon at all times but text
> only on hover/focus, you could say it's ok (as long as you use screen
> reader only text or aria-label to ensure text is always available to a
> screen reader user).
>
>
> So, based on the element, there are options, but I always come to the
> same conclution, relying on hover/focus events to display text is
> always going to cause complications and result in some sort of
> accessibility challenges. If the text is important enough to be
> visible to all, make it visible to all at all times. If not, wonder
> why the text is needed at all (if icon is sufficient, use screen
> reader equivalent).
>
> On 5/19/21, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > If the image is a focusable element (e.g. a button or a link) then all
> you
> > have to do is make sure the text is also exposed on focus (and ensure
> that a
> > screen reader announces it of course).
> >
> > But I suspect your image is not focusable. So you have a problem. You
> should
> > not make it focusable purely in order to cause it to show the text
> because
> > being focusable means it is interactive (it does something when you
> click on
> > it). So non-interactive elements should not receive focus while tabbing.
> The
> > same is true of making the text itself keyboard focusable. If it were to
> > appear and be given focus while tabbing, that would not be correct
> behaviour
> > because it is not an interactive element.
> >
> > An alternative is to make the image a button that is clicked to show the
> > text. This is sometimes referred to as a 'toggletip', which is a way to
> > solve the problems I've described of having tooltips attached to
> > non-interactive elements.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> > Radhika Soni
> > Sent: 19 May 2021 14:15
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [WebAIM] Text exposed on Hover
> >
> > Good Morning Everyone,
> >
> > How would you solve for when some text on the image is exposed on hover?
> > Any ideas?
> > Is it ok to provide keyboard focus to the text in that case?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Radhika
> > > > > archives at
> > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > > >
From: glen walker
Date: Tue, May 25 2021 2:44PM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Text exposed on Hover
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The adidas site has focusable elements (they're links). I didn't see an
obvious :hover style but when I turn on "hover" in the code inspector, the
new image appears. If there is a :hover state in the CSS, you can add a
:focus state too so that you get the same image whether you hover over or
tab to the link.
Both images (hovered and non-hovered) have alt text so that's good.
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:23 PM Radhika Soni < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback. Also, would like to know, that nowadays on many
> ecommerce sites, we do see different product image on hover? What do you
> think? Would you call them accessible? And if not, how can we make them
> accessible? Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Have a great week ahead!
>
> Refer this site ( Check for product listing, as you hover on them you see
> different image) -https://www.adidas.com/us/member_exclusive
>
> Regards,
> -Radhika
>
>
From: Radhika Soni
Date: Tue, May 25 2021 3:02PM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Text exposed on Hover
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And what of the images are not interactive ?
Regards,
-Radhika
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 4:44 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The adidas site has focusable elements (they're links). I didn't see an
> obvious :hover style but when I turn on "hover" in the code inspector, the
> new image appears. If there is a :hover state in the CSS, you can add a
> :focus state too so that you get the same image whether you hover over or
> tab to the link.
>
> Both images (hovered and non-hovered) have alt text so that's good.
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:23 PM Radhika Soni < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the feedback. Also, would like to know, that nowadays on many
> > ecommerce sites, we do see different product image on hover? What do you
> > think? Would you call them accessible? And if not, how can we make them
> > accessible? Any ideas would be appreciated.
> >
> > Have a great week ahead!
> >
> > Refer this site ( Check for product listing, as you hover on them you see
> > different image) -https://www.adidas.com/us/member_exclusive
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Radhika
> >
> >
> > > > >
From: glen walker
Date: Tue, May 25 2021 3:31PM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Text exposed on Hover
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That was already explained with previous answers. I was replying to your
Adidas question.
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:02 PM Radhika Soni < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> And what of the images are not interactive ?
>
>
>