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From: Jim Homme
Date: Mon, Nov 29 2021 11:09AM
Subject: Am I Misapplying The On Input SC
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Hi,
Here is the situation. I want to fail this for something, but unsure what.




* Screen reader reports a control as a collapsed button
* User clicks the button, thinking that content will appear below it.
* A new webpage loads.
Here is my thought process.


* Buttons should usually make things happen in forms.
* Links should usually cause navigation to either new pages or parts of the same page.
* Expanded and collapsed state should be used on buttons, rather than links.


Thanks.

Jim

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From: Colin Osterhout
Date: Mon, Nov 29 2021 11:21AM
Subject: Re: Am I Misapplying The On Input SC
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Would SC 4.1.2 <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#name-role-value> "Name, Role,
Value" apply here?

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 9:09 AM Jim Homme < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi,
> Here is the situation. I want to fail this for something, but unsure what.
>
>
>
>
> * Screen reader reports a control as a collapsed button
> * User clicks the button, thinking that content will appear below it.
> * A new webpage loads.
> Here is my thought process.
>
>
> * Buttons should usually make things happen in forms.
> * Links should usually cause navigation to either new pages or parts
> of the same page.
> * Expanded and collapsed state should be used on buttons, rather than
> links.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> =========> Jim Homme
> Senior Digital Accessibility Consultant
> Bender Consulting Services
> 412-787-8567
> https://www.benderconsult.com/
> Support the dreams of independence through employment for students with
> disabilities with your Amazon purchases.
> https://smile.amazon.com/ch/83-0988251
>
> > > > >


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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Mon, Nov 29 2021 11:47AM
Subject: Re: Am I Misapplying The On Input SC
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That sounds primarily like a failure of 4.1.2 for exposing an incorrect
role and value/property.

> I want to fail this for something, but unsure what.

FWIW that's usually not a very reassuring sign ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eM7_eYuCs

P
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From: glen walker
Date: Mon, Nov 29 2021 11:58AM
Subject: Re: Am I Misapplying The On Input SC
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The expand/collapse issue would be a 4.1.2 issue but the fact that a button
is used instead of a link isn't really a 4.1.2 failure. The role of the
element is announced so it satisfies 4.1.2. The fact that it's the wrong
role is more of a usability failure. But that's just an opinion.

From: Jim Homme
Date: Mon, Nov 29 2021 12:10PM
Subject: Re: Am I Misapplying The On Input SC
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Hi,
Can I apply 4.1.1 to this? I found unnecessary ARIA attributes.

Thanks.

Jim

=========Jim Homme
Senior Digital Accessibility Consultant
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
https://www.benderconsult.com/
Support the dreams of independence through employment for students with disabilities with your Amazon purchases.
https://smile.amazon.com/ch/83-0988251

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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 1:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Am I Misapplying The On Input SC

The expand/collapse issue would be a 4.1.2 issue but the fact that a button is used instead of a link isn't really a 4.1.2 failure. The role of the element is announced so it satisfies 4.1.2. The fact that it's the wrong role is more of a usability failure. But that's just an opinion.

From: Jim Homme
Date: Mon, Nov 29 2021 12:11PM
Subject: Re: Am I Misapplying The On Input SC
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Hi,
I think 4.1.2 only states that states have to be present, not appropriate. I need to go check.

Thanks.

Jim

=========Jim Homme
Senior Digital Accessibility Consultant
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
https://www.benderconsult.com/
Support the dreams of independence through employment for students with disabilities with your Amazon purchases.
https://smile.amazon.com/ch/83-0988251

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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Am I Misapplying The On Input SC

That sounds primarily like a failure of 4.1.2 for exposing an incorrect role and value/property.

> I want to fail this for something, but unsure what.

FWIW that's usually not a very reassuring sign ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-eM7_eYuCs

P
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Mon, Nov 29 2021 12:23PM
Subject: Re: Am I Misapplying The On Input SC
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On 29/11/2021 19:10, Jim Homme wrote:
> Can I apply 4.1.1 to this? I found unnecessary ARIA attributes.

Unnecessary or invalid? There's a difference I'd say...

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