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From: Mark Weiler
Date: Fri, Sep 09 2022 3:13PM
Subject: Superscript tag and HTML
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I noticed that the HTML superscript tag, SUP, isn't being spoken as such by JAWS or NVDA.  I put JAWS into default user mode too. However, when in a Word document, the superscript is properly read.  Any ideas?

From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Fri, Sep 09 2022 3:31PM
Subject: Re: Superscript tag and HTML
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It can be read, just the default settings prevent it. Generally, Screen Reader users on the web want as clean a reading of information as possible.
For example imagine a standard price tag where the cents part of the price is in a super script:
It would sound like price 9 dollars start superscript 99 end super script.
If the superscript is ignored you will probably get:
Price 9hundred and ninety nine dollars.
Admittedly this is not much better.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 9, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Mark Weiler < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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> I noticed that the HTML superscript tag, SUP, isn't being spoken as such by JAWS or NVDA. I put JAWS into default user mode too. However, when in a Word document, the superscript is properly read. Any ideas?
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From: Mark Weiler
Date: Fri, Sep 09 2022 7:01PM
Subject: Re: Superscript tag and HTML
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I'm asking so a screen read user has the option. Can you provide a bit more instruction on how to do it with JAWS? I checked the Speech and Sound Scheme's attribute tab, which has superscript listed but it didn't work on two test documents.   All my verbosity settings are high.  I'm using Chrome.   Someone explained to me how to change the setting in NVDA and I verified it works.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 05:31:26 p.m. EDT, Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

It can be read, just the default settings prevent it. Generally, Screen Reader users on the web want as clean a reading of information as possible.For example imagine a standard price tag where the cents part of the price is in a super script:It would sound like price 9 dollars start superscript 99 end super script.If the superscript is ignored you will probably get:Price 9hundred and ninety nine dollars. Admittedly this is not much better.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 9, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Mark Weiler < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
I noticed that the HTML superscript tag, SUP, isn't being spoken as such by JAWS or NVDA.  I put JAWS into default user mode too. However, when in a Word document, the superscript is properly read.  Any ideas?

From: Lars Ballieu Christensen
Date: Sat, Sep 10 2022 4:59AM
Subject: Re: Superscript tag and HTML
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Looking at this from an accessibility perspective, you could argue this is likely not a matter whether superscript is pronounced or not. Superscript by itself is used for a variety of purposes - as a footnote reference, as "power of" in math expressions and so on. Hence, superscript by itself is ambiguous ... as much as other visual markers such as italics and bold. To have a screenreader render it correctly, I would argue that the underlying content should be implemented for what it is (e.g., a foot note reference, as a math object; and then leave it up to the assistive technology to render it correctly in audio, in print, in Braille and so forth.

Venligst/Kind regards

Lars
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On 10/09/2022, 03.01, "WebAIM-Forum on behalf of Mark Weiler" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = on behalf of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

I'm asking so a screen read user has the option. Can you provide a bit more instruction on how to do it with JAWS? I checked the Speech and Sound Scheme's attribute tab, which has superscript listed but it didn't work on two test documents. All my verbosity settings are high. I'm using Chrome. Someone explained to me how to change the setting in NVDA and I verified it works.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 05:31:26 p.m. EDT, Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

It can be read, just the default settings prevent it. Generally, Screen Reader users on the web want as clean a reading of information as possible..For example imagine a standard price tag where the cents part of the price is in a super script:It would sound like price 9 dollars start superscript 99 end super script.If the superscript is ignored you will probably get:Price 9hundred and ninety nine dollars. Admittedly this is not much better.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 9, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Mark Weiler < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
I noticed that the HTML superscript tag, SUP, isn't being spoken as such by JAWS or NVDA. I put JAWS into default user mode too. However, when in a Word document, the superscript is properly read. Any ideas?

From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Sat, Sep 10 2022 10:58AM
Subject: Re: Superscript tag and HTML
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Hello,
First verify that the Indicate attributes setting is checked in settings center. Then change your scheme to one of classic schemes that includes attributes.
To select a scheme use alt+insert+S.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 9, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Mark Weiler < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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> I'm asking so a screen read user has the option. Can you provide a bit more instruction on how to do it with JAWS? I checked the Speech and Sound Scheme's attribute tab, which has superscript listed but it didn't work on two test documents. All my verbosity settings are high. I'm using Chrome. Someone explained to me how to change the setting in NVDA and I verified it works.
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 05:31:26 p.m. EDT, Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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> It can be read, just the default settings prevent it. Generally, Screen Reader users on the web want as clean a reading of information as possible.
> For example imagine a standard price tag where the cents part of the price is in a super script:
> It would sound like price 9 dollars start superscript 99 end super script.
> If the superscript is ignored you will probably get:
> Price 9hundred and ninety nine dollars.
> Admittedly this is not much better.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
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>
>> On Sep 9, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Mark Weiler < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >> wrote:
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>> I noticed that the HTML superscript tag, SUP, isn't being spoken as such by JAWS or NVDA. I put JAWS into default user mode too. However, when in a Word document, the superscript is properly read. Any ideas?
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From: Mark Weiler
Date: Sat, Sep 10 2022 12:30PM
Subject: Re: Superscript tag and HTML
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I confirmed it works with a classic scheme.  Not sure why it isn't working with another scheme.

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 12:58:40 p.m. EDT, Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

Hello,First verify that the Indicate attributes setting is checked in settings center. Then change your scheme to one of classic schemes that includes attributes.To select a scheme use alt+insert+S.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 9, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Mark Weiler < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
I'm asking so a screen read user has the option. Can you provide a bit more instruction on how to do it with JAWS? I checked the Speech and Sound Scheme's attribute tab, which has superscript listed but it didn't work on two test documents.   All my verbosity settings are high.  I'm using Chrome.   Someone explained to me how to change the setting in NVDA and I verified it works.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 05:31:26 p.m. EDT, Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

It can be read, just the default settings prevent it. Generally, Screen Reader users on the web want as clean a reading of information as possible.For example imagine a standard price tag where the cents part of the price is in a super script:It would sound like price 9 dollars start superscript 99 end super script.If the superscript is ignored you will probably get:Price 9hundred and ninety nine dollars. Admittedly this is not much better.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 9, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Mark Weiler < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
I noticed that the HTML superscript tag, SUP, isn't being spoken as such by JAWS or NVDA.  I put JAWS into default user mode too. However, when in a Word document, the superscript is properly read.  Any ideas?