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From: Cohen, Lisa A.
Date: Fri, Feb 07 2003 1:56PM
Subject: Frames
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From my initial investigation, it looks like JAWS uses the name attribute to
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, Feb 07 2003 2:11PM
Subject: Re: Frames
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JAWS does it in two ways. You can navigate frame in IE by using Ctrl+tab and JAWS will respond by
announcing the frame or you can use use Ins+F9 to bring up the frames dialog. I forget which is which, but
one way you hear the title and the other you hear the name. I usually recommend that both be added and
be identical.
AWK
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> From my initial investigation, it looks like JAWS uses the name attribute to
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> "tag" frames, while IBM HomePageReader appears to use the title attribute.
> Anyone have any further information on navigating frames from
> screenreaders? Need to give guidance to developers...
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> Thanks,
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Andrew
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From: Jukka K. Korpela
Date: Sat, Feb 08 2003 2:00AM
Subject: Re: Frames
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
> JAWS does it in two ways. - -
> one way you hear the title and the other you hear the name.
> I usually recommend that both be added and be identical.
Making them identical could disappoint users who can access both
NAME and TITLE and who have heard or seen the NAME but found it too
cryptic and wish to check what the TITLE says. Due to the uses of NAME for
other purposes (e.g., in TARGET attributes), it needs to be relatively
short; TITLE can used to give a more verbose explanation.
Cf. to http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#frame-text-equivalent
which contains examples like
<FRAME src="sitenavbar.html" name="navbar"
title="Sitewide navigation bar" ...>
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Sat, Feb 08 2003 4:43AM
Subject: Re: Frames
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Sure, as long as the name is intelligible. I think that too often we get name="frm_01_top" because people
assume that the title takes care of all situations -- and maybe it should, but it doesn't.
AWK
>Making them identical could disappoint users who can access both
>NAME and TITLE and who have heard or seen the NAME but found it too
>cryptic and wish to check what the TITLE says. Due to the uses of NAME for
>other purposes (e.g., in TARGET attributes), it needs to be relatively
>short; TITLE can used to give a more verbose explanation.
>
>Cf. to http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#frame-text-equivalent
>which contains examples like
> <FRAME src="sitenavbar.html" name="navbar"
> title="Sitewide navigation bar" ...>
>
Andrew
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