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From: Joel Sanda
Date: Wed, Feb 19 2003 4:39PM
Subject: RE: repetitive navigation
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Philip asked:

"unless display:none also hides content from screen readers?"

I just tested display:none in Window-Eyes Professional 4.2 and the text did
not render in Window-Eyes.

I also recall testing the display:none CSS attribute in JAWS 4.0 sometime
back and the display:none did not render in that screen reader, as well.

Joel Sanda, M.A.
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Consulting Services Group
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From: Leo Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: repetitive navigation


Hi Philip,

I really like the idea of using the pseudo-class :focus to accomplish
the appearing "skip to...." link when tabbing.

I also like the idea of being able to skip back and forth between
main content and navigation.

As far as hiding the skip to link in NS4 completely, this seems like
a good idea based on the fact that the keyboard focus does not
skip in this browser, as it should.

I am assuming you would use display:none to achieve that, which
would effectively hide it completely from keyboard access, but still
make it available to screen reader users who, of course, would still
find it useful (unless display:none also hides content from screen
readers?)

Thanks for the technique Philip.

Leo.

On 7 Feb 2003, at 21:00, Philip Pawley wrote:

> Hi Leo,
>
> At 07/02/03 08:58 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi Philip,
> >
> >This is a very interesting idea.
> >
> >Could you give us an example of a code snippet using this method that
> >has been tested and works.
> >
> >Thanks Much!
> >
> >Leo.
>
> Here are the essentials:
> http://www.alexanderworks.org.uk/wai/skip.html
>
> Again, you'll need:
> username: wai
> password: whynot
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> All the best,
>
>
> --
> Philip Pawley
> Liverpool, UK
> http://www.alexanderworks.org.uk/
> --




Leo Smith
Web Designer/Developer
USM Office of Publications and Marketing
University of Southern Maine
207-780-4774


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From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Thu, Feb 20 2003 10:30AM
Subject: RE: repetitive navigation
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Another technique is to use CSS to have the foreground and background
colors be the same and use a very small font.

Or

Use CSS visibility property instead of display. Set visibility to hidden.


Jon



At 04:32 PM 2/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Philip asked:
>
>"unless display:none also hides content from screen readers?"
>
>I just tested display:none in Window-Eyes Professional 4.2 and the text did
>not render in Window-Eyes.
>
>I also recall testing the display:none CSS attribute in JAWS 4.0 sometime
>back and the display:none did not render in that screen reader, as well.
>
>Joel Sanda, M.A.
>Standards & Accessibility Consultant
>Consulting Services Group
>www.eCollege.com
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>p. 303.873.7400 x 3021
>f. 303.873.7449
>eCollege Supporting your Success
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Leo Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:14 AM
>To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>Subject: RE: repetitive navigation
>
>
>Hi Philip,
>
>I really like the idea of using the pseudo-class :focus to accomplish
>the appearing "skip to...." link when tabbing.
>
>I also like the idea of being able to skip back and forth between
>main content and navigation.
>
>As far as hiding the skip to link in NS4 completely, this seems like
>a good idea based on the fact that the keyboard focus does not
>skip in this browser, as it should.
>
>I am assuming you would use display:none to achieve that, which
>would effectively hide it completely from keyboard access, but still
>make it available to screen reader users who, of course, would still
>find it useful (unless display:none also hides content from screen
>readers?)
>
>Thanks for the technique Philip.
>
>Leo.
>
>On 7 Feb 2003, at 21:00, Philip Pawley wrote:
>
> > Hi Leo,
> >
> > At 07/02/03 08:58 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hi Philip,
> > >
> > >This is a very interesting idea.
> > >
> > >Could you give us an example of a code snippet using this method that
> > >has been tested and works.
> > >
> > >Thanks Much!
> > >
> > >Leo.
> >
> > Here are the essentials:
> > http://www.alexanderworks.org.uk/wai/skip.html
> >
> > Again, you'll need:
> > username: wai
> > password: whynot
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> >
> > --
> > Philip Pawley
> > Liverpool, UK
> > http://www.alexanderworks.org.uk/
> > --
>
>
>
>
>Leo Smith
>Web Designer/Developer
>USM Office of Publications and Marketing
>University of Southern Maine
>207-780-4774
>
>
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
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Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
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