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From: julian.rickards@ndm.gov.on.ca
Date: Thu, May 01 2003 12:11PM
Subject: RE: Header tag
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Alastair wrote:
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> Last point to Simon: Although I also use Bobby regularly, some of the
> checks are not as useful as they were. For example, your page
> would get
> a 'triple a' rating apart from two things, one of them being "Separate
> adjacent links with more than whitespace."
>
> I remember reading that no currently used user-agent has a
> problem with
> links not separated by non-link characters. Yet we still have to deal
> with this to pass a test that the general public uses (without an
> advanced level of accessibility knowledge).
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I don't know if I am answering your question but here goes.
If you have multiple links together such as Link1 Link2 Link3, it may be
that the space between them may not be understood as a break between the
various links because "Link to my home page" also can be a link. Remember,
those of us who are sighted can see where an underline ends and the next one
begins indicating that two adjacent links are separate but for the vision
impaired who can't detect the break in the underline, they cannot "see"
where one link ends and the next begins. I have used an "invisible pipe
character" to separate links before such as Link1 | Link2 | Link 3. The pipe
characters "|" are hidden using <span class="invisible">|</span> where the
invisible class is defined as display:none.
HTH,
Jules
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From: Alastair Campbell
Date: Thu, May 01 2003 3:49PM
Subject: RE: non-link characters (was header tag)
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Hi Julian,
That's a useful technique - I use exactly the same one! However, I think it is less necessary for the visually impaired than people using visual browsers.
It is possible to make it very difficult for most people to discern the gap, e.g.:
<p>This paragraph <a href="#1">contains </a><a href="#2">two</a> anchor tags</p>
There would be no visible gap, however, a screen reader would know that there are two links and read out something like:
"The paragraph LINK contains LINK two anchor tags." (I'm sure this isn't exactly right, but I think it's close.)
My question is: Are there any other (currently used) user agents where a lack of non-link characters between links is a problem?
Having lots of links together might make things somewhat unclear in a text browser like Lynx, but it isn't difficult to work out as you move through the links because they change colour one at a time.
Are there any current situations where it would be a problem? (Or is it a guideline that needs depreciating?)
-Alastair
On May 01 15:00, = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = wrote:
> the vision
> impaired who can't detect the break in the underline, they cannot "see"
> where one link ends and the next begins. I have used an "invisible pipe
> character" to separate links before such as Link1 | Link2 | Link 3. The pipe
> characters "|" are hidden using <span class="invisible">|</span> where the
> invisible class is defined as display:none.
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