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From: julian.rickards
Date: Fri, Jul 04 2003 8:57AM
Subject: RE: Is this menu accessible?
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Hi John:

I am having a bit of trouble trying to pre-visualize your menu but I think I
have it. What it appears to me is that you have the link text (such as
"home", "products", "services", etc) as alt text for the graphic links as
well as within the span.

First of all, I recently learned that if a JAWS users is using IE, anything
you hide from IE using display: none is also hidden from JAWS so your
spanned text is going to be hidden from JAWS users.

Secondly, the alt text should be sufficient - if the image is not rendered
for one reason or another, then the alt text will appear in its place - the
need for the span text would be redundant.

If CSS is off but images are on, then both the image text and the span text
will be visible. If CSS is on but images are off, the alt text will be
sufficient. If CSS is off and images are off, duplication will be apparent.

I hope I interpretted your question correctly,

Jules

> In the style sheet the gif will be dimensioned to fit over the
> BG's, and the span will have 'display: none'.
>
> I figure that if images aren't rendered, the alt will serve, and
> if css is off the span will become the link instead.



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From: Big John
Date: Fri, Jul 04 2003 11:53AM
Subject: RE: Is this menu accessible?
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> I am having a bit of trouble trying to pre-visualize your menu but I
> think I have it. What it appears to me is that you have the link text
> (such as "home", "products", "services", etc) as alt text for the
> graphic links as well as within the span.

Correct, except that the image will not have text, but just be a
transparent clickable link, and just a square on the left end of the li.
I plan to pull it out to full link width with css. That same css will
make the span go away.

> Secondly, the alt text should be sufficient - if the image is not rendered
> for one reason or another, then the alt text will appear in its place - the
> need for the span text would be redundant.

That's why the span will be removed via 'display: none'.

> If CSS is off but images are on, then both the image text and
> the span text will be visible.

The only actual image text will be on the bg images, and those
will be off when css is not used.

> If CSS is on but images are off, the alt text will be
> sufficient. If CSS is off and images are off, duplication
> will be apparent.

Yeah, alt and span together. I hadn't realized that, but I guess
I will have to live with it. Better duplication than nothing.
We're talking about a tiny percentage of users, right?
And this is a web design site, making the % even smaller.

> I hope I interpretted your question correctly,

Thanks for the help, Jules!
Big John



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