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From: Chris
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2002 9:17AM
Subject: Microsoft needs to know
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Hello Chris,
Thank you for writing to Microsoft bCentral about the LE HTML code.
We apologize for the delay in sending a response to your concern.
I have visited your site and I have learned that the LE HTML code is working
perfectly well on your pages. You should not be encountering any problem
with the code because it is designed in the sense that it won't affect the
accessibility of a certain site. Banners are displayed essentially at random
on any of our members pages; this is why the code doesn't have a reference
HTML file.
If you are still having problems with the code, you may write us back so we
could further investigate your issue. Please let us know exactly what you
did step-by-step, and where the process failed. Please also confirm if the
term "w3c", which you mentioned, refers to the "World Wide Web Consortium".
Please make to include the exact error message that you received. We would
also appreciate it if you could tell us more about "Bobby" and "A-Prompt"
programs. But please be reminded that we can't give you a special LE code
since we don't alter our code.
Thank you for your patience and cooperation.
We appreciate your support to Banner Network.
Sincerely,
Lyza
Microsoft bCentral Customer Support
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
To: "Microsoft bCentral Support" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Thu Jan 17 18:50:44 PST 2002
Subject: CST56124278ID - 56124278: Prod:BN:Accessibility problems with
LinkExchange code
Customer Name: Christopher Gerard Watson
Phone:
Date: Tue Jan 15 14:12:22 PST 2002
Re: Product/Service
Subject: Accessibility problems with LinkExchange code
SKU: Banner Network
Comments:
Hello. I have been a member of LinkExchange since 1997. I have a problem now
though. Both "Bobby" and "A-Prompt" (accessibility-awareness programs) say
that the following are w3c priority 1 errors (the worst kind):
Each FRAME must reference an HTML file. <file:/C:PROGRAM
FILESCASTBOBBY3.2htmlglsg38.html>(1 instance)
Lines 218-225: <!-- BEGIN LINKEXCHANGE CODE --><iframe
src="http://leader.linkexchange.com/X280763/showiframe?" width="468"
height="60" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0"
scrolling="no"><a
Give each frame a title. <file:/C:PROGRAM
FILESCASTBOBBY3.2htmlglsg39.html>(1 instance)
Lines 218-225: <!-- BEGIN LINKEXCHANGE CODE --><iframe
src="http://leader.linkexchange.com/X280763/showiframe?" width="468"
height="60" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0"
scrolling="no"><a
How can I fix these? Is there a way for you to fix it at your end? I want my
pages to be web-standards compliant and also disability-friendly. There are
fed standards now about accessibility for government web sites, and business
web sites have already been sued. My motivation though is to make my pages
more accessible for everyone.
Peace, Chris Watson
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From: Kynn Bartlett
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2002 11:46AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft needs to know
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At 8:17 AM -0800 1/19/02, Chris wrote:
>Hello Chris,
>
>Thank you for writing to Microsoft bCentral about the LE HTML code.
>
>We apologize for the delay in sending a response to your concern.
>
>I have visited your site and I have learned that the LE HTML code is working
>perfectly well on your pages. You should not be encountering any problem
>with the code because it is designed in the sense that it won't affect the
>accessibility of a certain site. Banners are displayed essentially at random
>on any of our members pages; this is why the code doesn't have a reference
>HTML file.
>
>If you are still having problems with the code, you may write us back so we
>could further investigate your issue. Please let us know exactly what you
>did step-by-step, and where the process failed. Please also confirm if the
>term "w3c", which you mentioned, refers to the "World Wide Web Consortium".
>Please make to include the exact error message that you received. We would
>also appreciate it if you could tell us more about "Bobby" and "A-Prompt"
>programs. But please be reminded that we can't give you a special LE code
>since we don't alter our code.
This is why it's important to provide complete information to those
to whom you write -- don't assume that the person who answers the
email (usually a low ranking tech support person) knows anything
more than the minimal of what he or she was taught to handle simple
requests. What he or she was taught is based on something that was
written in scripts by a tech writer. In very few cases will you
ever be writing directly to a programmer, and even then the programmer
won't necessarily know what you're talking about.
What the tech support people are looking for -- as shown by the
questions above -- is a "reproducable error." There's no reproducable
error here, really, so they don't have a good answer for you. A
better solution is to tell them what the problem is, complete with
URL references to everything (A-Prompt, Bobby), explain why it's a
problem, and propose a solution and ask them to pass it on to the
developer. Reference to Microsoft resources will probably help in
this case, too; in general, it's hard to convince tech support
people that they're somehow responsible for an error message
generated by Bobby or A-Prompt, things they've never heard of.
Also, you need to be pretty accurate in your terminology and avoid
the use of "web accessibility" slang and lingo -- look at the
question about "w3c". Your original text said "w3c priority 1
errors", but that's not actually the correct way to refer to those
types of errors. You and I can understand it, but those of us on
this list have to be considered an "insider" audience and thus are
"hip to the lingo." A more accurate way to refer to this is,
"Priority 1 checkpoint violations according to the World Wide
Web Consortium's Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
(http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG/)." A mouthful, yes, but the chances
you're writing to anyone who has ever HEARD of WCAG are quite slim
indeed. Tech support people aren't hired for their knowledge of
web accessibility; and if they were experts in it, they'd probably
quit their tech support jobs and become web developers. ;)
--Kynn
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