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From: Chris Heilmann
Date: Tue, Nov 23 2004 11:06AM
Subject: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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http://icant.co.uk/forreview/browsertests/
Devarticles.com will soon release this article about how you can test for
some accessibility features with different browsers and how easy it is to
trace errors with them.
Hopefully someone here will find it useful,too. I got some good feedback
in the company here.
Another thing that would be really handy is someone with a lot of
safari/ie-mac experience contributing.
regards,
Chris
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From: Austin, Darrel
Date: Tue, Nov 23 2004 11:31AM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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> Devarticles.com will soon release this article about how you can test
> for some accessibility features with different browsers and how easy
> it is to trace errors with them.
That's interesting, but it would seem to me that anyone testing for this
sort of thing would already have access to pretty much any browser, so I
guess I don't understand the browser-specific information...why not just
recommend the best tools for the specific type of testing?
For me, I find Firefox + the web developer toolbar invaluable alongside of
lynx.
-Darrel
From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Tue, Nov 23 2004 11:38AM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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darrel.austin wrote:
> That's interesting, but it would seem to me that anyone testing for this
> sort of thing would already have access to pretty much any browser,
of course they'd have access to them, but this article still shows
people who may not know all the ins and outs of the different browsers
what features are available, and helps them make an informed choice as
to which browser is best suited for the "deeper" tests (as opposed to
simply loading up a page in them to see if it displays/works at all)
Patrick H. Lauke
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From: Chris Heilmann
Date: Tue, Nov 23 2004 11:46AM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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>> Devarticles.com will soon release this article about how you can test
>> for some accessibility features with different browsers and how easy
>> it is to trace errors with them.
>
> That's interesting, but it would seem to me that anyone testing for this
> sort of thing would already have access to pretty much any browser, so I
> guess I don't understand the browser-specific information...why not just
> recommend the best tools for the specific type of testing?
>
> For me, I find Firefox + the web developer toolbar invaluable alongside of
> lynx.
Personally, I wanted a comparison to allow people to choose. For example
the user mode of Opera offers some things that the developer toolbar still
misses.
I also wanted to raise awareness of the options browsers give you and
improve the bug reporting in the company here. A "your javascript has an
error, the ID cannot be found" is so much easier to fix than a "the site
is wrong, look at it" :-)
Furthermore I wanted to give junior developers a choice how to check their
work pre-testing and didn't want to push them into my favourite browser
corner. A .NET developer is not likely to be too much of an Opera user for
example.
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From: Austin, Darrel
Date: Tue, Nov 23 2004 11:59AM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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> Furthermore I wanted to give junior developers a choice how to check
> their work pre-testing and didn't want to push them into my favourite
> browser corner. A .NET developer is not likely to be too much of an
> Opera user for example.
I concede that there's a need to do that.
At the same time, there's a need to slap any .net developer that only has IE
on their machine. ;o)
-Darrel
From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Tue, Nov 23 2004 1:30PM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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There is a section in our best practices document that talks
about functional testing with different technologies:
http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/uiuc-web-best-practices.htm#test
It does not include the accessibility toolbar information yet.
Jon
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:20 +0100 (CET)
>From: "lists38"
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
>To: "WebAIM Discussion List"
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>
>
>>
>>> Devarticles.com will soon release this article about how
you can test
>>> for some accessibility features with different browsers
and how easy
>>> it is to trace errors with them.
>>
>> That's interesting, but it would seem to me that anyone
testing for this
>> sort of thing would already have access to pretty much any
browser, so I
>> guess I don't understand the browser-specific
information...why not just
>> recommend the best tools for the specific type of testing?
>>
>> For me, I find Firefox + the web developer toolbar
invaluable alongside of
>> lynx.
>
>Personally, I wanted a comparison to allow people to choose.
For example
>the user mode of Opera offers some things that the developer
toolbar still
>misses.
>I also wanted to raise awareness of the options browsers give
you and
>improve the bug reporting in the company here. A "your
javascript has an
>error, the ID cannot be found" is so much easier to fix than
a "the site
>is wrong, look at it" :-)
>Furthermore I wanted to give junior developers a choice how
to check their
>work pre-testing and didn't want to push them into my
favourite browser
>corner. A .NET developer is not likely to be too much of an
Opera user for
>example.
>
>
>
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>Chris Heilmann
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From: Andrew Arch
Date: Tue, Nov 23 2004 3:30PM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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For accessibility testing, IE should be the first browser used as most
assistive technology works best with it and Windows. That said, I agree with
the 'slap' comment.
Also wanted to point folk to a couple of other articles for accessibility
testing with browsers:
1. http://webaim.org/techniques/articles/opera
2. http://ausweb.scu.edu.au/aw03/papers/arch2/
3. http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar_tutorial.html
Cheers, Andrew
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From: darrel.austin [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
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> Furthermore I wanted to give junior developers a choice how to check
> their work pre-testing and didn't want to push them into my favourite
> browser corner. A .NET developer is not likely to be too much of an
> Opera user for example.
I concede that there's a need to do that.
At the same time, there's a need to slap any .net developer that only has IE
on their machine. ;o)
-Darrel
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From: Tim Beadle
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2004 9:22AM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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"lists38" wrote on 23/11/2004 17:57:09:
> http://icant.co.uk/forreview/browsertests/
Have you seen Fangs (a screen-reader emulator extension for Firefox) ?
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05
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From: Chris Heilmann
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2004 9:44AM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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> "lists38" wrote on 23/11/2004 17:57:09:
>> http://icant.co.uk/forreview/browsertests/
>
> Have you seen Fangs (a screen-reader emulator extension for Firefox) ?
>
> http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05
No, but that is a really really cool extension.
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From: Redazione AriadneCMS
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2004 12:19PM
Subject: Re: Article: Browsers as Test Platforms
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>>http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05
>
>
> No, but that is a really really cool extension.
Yep, i think it's really cool! Then I can cut and paste it into
a voice reader like the italian "Er Finestra" (a narrow translation
would be " Th' window " eh eh)
http://www.screentiful.it/fclick/fclick.php?fid=sw
Really cool!
Dino
Talk about content management
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