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From: Glenda Watson Hyatt
Date: Mon, Feb 11 2002 2:41PM
Subject: bits n pieces
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Hi everyone,

Have a few questions on the finer details of the WCAG:

1. Is there a way to combine <LABEL> with <TEXTAREA>?

For example, I have:

<p class="blocktext"><form method="POST" > <LABEL for="firstname">First
name&nbsp;<input type="text" name="T1" size="20"></LABEL>
</FORM>

and I want to include default text. How do I do that?

2. Some of my hyperlinks are urls for those who print out the page. For
those using screen readers, would TITLE be beneficial here?

3. In the html version of the Simplified Web Accessibility Guide, which goes
live soon, I have some hyperlinks for purely illustrative purposes. Would
TITLE be beneficial here too?

4. I created a complex table using headers which I thought should make sense
for screen readers, but when I lynx it, it is totally garbled. The table is
temporarily at http://www.eaglecom.bc.ca/Guide/appendix.htm. Any
suggestions?

And if anyone has tasteful check mark graphic I could use on the table....

Looking forward to hearing any suggestions anyone has.

Cheers,
Glenda


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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Tue, Feb 12 2002 6:52AM
Subject: Re: bits n pieces
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Glenda,
You really should validate your html -- it would help catch some errors.
For example, in the <td> cells, you use header="header5 etc.", but it should
be headers="header5 etc." and you seem to use acronym where you mean abbr a
couple of times.

AWK

On 2/11/02 4:41 PM, Glenda Watson Hyatt ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Have a few questions on the finer details of the WCAG:
>
> 1. Is there a way to combine <LABEL> with <TEXTAREA>?
>
> For example, I have:
>
> <p class="blocktext"><form method="POST" > <LABEL for="firstname">First
> name&nbsp;<input type="text" name="T1" size="20"></LABEL>
> </FORM>
>
> and I want to include default text. How do I do that?
>
> 2. Some of my hyperlinks are urls for those who print out the page. For
> those using screen readers, would TITLE be beneficial here?
>
> 3. In the html version of the Simplified Web Accessibility Guide, which goes
> live soon, I have some hyperlinks for purely illustrative purposes. Would
> TITLE be beneficial here too?
>
> 4. I created a complex table using headers which I thought should make sense
> for screen readers, but when I lynx it, it is totally garbled. The table is
> temporarily at http://www.eaglecom.bc.ca/Guide/appendix.htm. Any
> suggestions?
>
> And if anyone has tasteful check mark graphic I could use on the table....
>
> Looking forward to hearing any suggestions anyone has.
>
> Cheers,
> Glenda
>
>
> *********
> Glenda Watson Hyatt
> Soaring Eagle Communications
> "Creating freedom and power through accessible communications"
> E Mail: mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Website: http://www.eaglecom.bc.ca
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>
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>
>
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From: Tim Harshbarger
Date: Tue, Feb 12 2002 3:18PM
Subject: RE: bits n pieces
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Glenda,

Yes, you can associate the LABEL tag with a TEXTAREA tag, if you use the ID and FOR attribute. However, if you just want default text in your text field, you can do something like:

<INPUT TYPE="text" VALUE="My First Name">

The VALUE attribute will assign a default value to the text field.

I am uncertain what the answer to your second question is without more details. If I understand correctly, you are doing something like this?

<A HREF="http://www.webaim.org">htttp://www.webaim.org</A>

Typically, I would create the link this way.

<A HREF="http://www.webaim.org">WebAIM</A>

That sends a clearer message to all users where the link will take them. It is easier to understand than the URL. At least, that is my personal opinion.

However, as the author, if that is how you want people to visually see the link, that is how, a blind user, would want to hear your link. I really would not see why you need to provide a text equivalent for text in this case.

As for your third question, I would only include TITLE attributes for the illustrative links if the overall web guide you are using would make you think this is the best practice. I tend not to use the TITLE attribute for text links, simply because it is my personal preference. I often equate the TITLE attribute with the tool tips that show up in Internet Explorer. I tend not to use tool tips for text because I am uncertain it benefits the user much. Though I am always interested in hearing what others think...after all, I have been wrong at least once or twice....that would be once or twice an hour. :)

Thanks,
Tim