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From: marvin hunkin
Date: Tue, May 02 2006 9:40PM
Subject: Html questions
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Good Morning.
thought i would ask you html and web gurus on this list.
possibly be able to help me with some problems i got with developing my
websites.
if this is off topic, i apologize, and give me a local group in Australia,
where i can ask this question.
Need your help.
1. developed a 80s music site, a star trek site, and a disability site.
got a page called Welcome.html in a folder called
c:TafeMarvinsWebsiteWelcome.html.
and then got three folders, one called MarvinsStarTrekPage,
MarvinsEightiesMusicPage, and MarvinsDisabilityPortalPage
now, had the orriginal files, and modified them, and redesigned, reedited,
etc.
now got the problem, that on my three 80s music pages, got a frame called
Navigation, and now when i try to go back to my main page, Welcome To
Marvins
Web Portal, get the error that cannot find server, and so tried looking on
the web to try to fix the html code, and using textpad, as my text editor.
now, will be putting my site, up as soon as glen Bracedginal gives me a free
account on his site, as on my big disability site, developing at the moment,
advertise his site on my front disability page.
now how do i fix this problem.
will paste the url page code below.
now this one is driving me crazy.
so am i missing something, or being a dummy, do i put the full path, or just
the ../ path, then the file, or do i put the Welcome.html file, in each
directory,
to reference back to the main page?
okay, let me know what i am doing wrong, and let me know.
here is the url page, on the local hard drive. it is:

<p> <a href="../MarvinsWebSite/Welcome.html" title="Welcome To Marvins Web
Portal" target="content" accesskey="W">Welcome To Marvins Web Portal</a>
</p>

2. now developed a star trek page, and now got a table for each star trek
series of the actor, and part.
now, for some strange reason, want the heading of the actor and part on the
same line, with a space in between, but it is on two lines.
now how do i fix this one?
is their any tips, tricks, or techniques, and looked on google, but could
not seem to find anything.
now, also the same with the table data, there it is the actor and part on
two lines, and want it on one line with a space in between, but on two
lines.
if any one has had this problem before, how do i fix this one?

3. now for some strange reason, when doing paragraphs using the <p> and the
</p> tag, and removing the <br> tag, in jaws, and using internet explorer 6,
on a windows machine with jaws 6.1, when reading using the down arrow,
instead of having all the lines, under each other, in between the paragraphs
, jaws
says blank, and the line is blank.
would like to have all the lines, and my paragraphs without a line break,
and how do i get my paragraphs to have all the lines, without jaws saying
blank,
inbetween, or is this just the way, internet explorer does this?
tried looking on google, and could not find any thing.
so sorry to be a pain, but these issues, are giving me a migrain, and
tearing my hair out.
so if any web developers, or blind web gurus, have run into the same
problems.
let me know of any tips, tricks, techniques, or links to sites, where i can
try to resolve these problems.
thank you for listening to my ramblings, but had to explain my self
properly.
cheers Marvin.

From: Jukka K. Korpela
Date: Fri, May 05 2006 5:30AM
Subject: Re: Html questions
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On Wed, 3 May 2006, marvin hunkin wrote:

> thought i would ask you html and web gurus on this list.

The WebAIM list is about web accessibility, not web authoring in general.
HTML questions are welcome _if_ they relate to accessibility.

> if this is off topic, i apologize,

Either you have a question about accessibility, or you don't. If you have,
ask it as clearly as you can.

> and give me a local group in Australia,
> where i can ask this question.

This isn't a help desk for finding discussion fora either.

> got a page called Welcome.html in a folder called
> c:TafeMarvinsWebsiteWelcome.html.

"Welcome pages" are generally worse than useless. But maybe you don't mean
a usual "welcome page" here; maybe you mean a main page, or something.

Anyway, the path to the file on your computer does not help at all,
unless some of us want to crack into your system and find the file there.

> now got the problem, that on my three 80s music pages, got a frame called
> Navigation,

If you are using frames, stop using frames. Frames as such aren't always
hostile to accessibility, but they are almost always abused so that
serious problems arise.

> get the error that cannot find server,

Without information about the actual page, I can only say that probably
you have mistyped some URL. But the problem may vanish when you get rid of
frames.

> will paste the url page code below.

It doesn't help much: there is no absolute URL, so relative URLs cannot be
resolved.

> so am i missing something, or being a dummy, do i put the full path, or just
> the ../ path, then the file, or do i put the Welcome.html file, in each
> directory, to reference back to the main page?

You should not think about referring "back". You cannot know whether the
visitor came through your main page or via a link somewhere.

What you need is a URL of the main page, preferably a relative URL - but
it is impossible to tell what it should be without knowing its relation to
the referring page.

> <p> <a href="../MarvinsWebSite/Welcome.html" title="Welcome To Marvins Web
> Portal" target="content" accesskey="W">Welcome To Marvins Web Portal</a> </p>

The title attribute is pointless and potentially confusing when it just
duplicates the link text. Accesskey attributes are harmful. Simple
web sites should not be called portals; such big words just confuse
people.

> now, for some strange reason, want the heading of the actor and part on the
> same line, with a space in between, but it is on two lines.

This is a general authoring problem, not an accessibility issue. There are
many solutions, but you might actually end up with creating a bigger
problem than you solve: a largish requirement on canvas width. Again, it
is impossible to evaluate the situation without a URL.

> in between the paragraphs, jaws says blank, and the line is blank.

Again, it is impossible to suggest solutions with no direct access to the
problem. It is possible that you have superfluous <p> tags or <br> tags.
My guess is that Jaws says "blank" because it encounters an empty
paragraph.

P.S. Please leave a blank line between paragraphs in E-mail, and please
start a sentence with a capital letter. If you have problems in achieving
that, try and find some local help; it's better than forcing all readers
to fight with the inconveniences or real problems that arise from poorly
structured text.

--
Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/