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From: Gary Williamson
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2007 5:10AM
Subject: lift and complex tables
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Generator Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium) Hi
Does anybody know of a piece of software or a web site other than ' Lift' (too expensive!) that I could use for making complex tables accessible?

thanks

Gary

From: Moore, Michael
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2007 6:50AM
Subject: Re: lift and complex tables
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Lift just tests tables, it does not make them accessible. The free
editions of the WAVE, WebXact, and Cynthia Says will also allow you to
test simple and complex tables. Making complex tables accessible
requires the application of id attributes to the th elements and
matching those ids to the proper cells using the header attribute in the
td element. This can be done using any editor capable of editing web
pages. Dreamweaver, for instance has a good wizard for creating
accessible tables, or if you just want to be hard core, you can do
everything in notepad.

Mike

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Generator Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium) Hi Does anybody know of a
piece of software or a web site other than ' Lift' (too expensive!)
that I could use for making complex tables accessible?

thanks

Gary

From: Tim Beadle
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2007 7:00AM
Subject: Re: lift and complex tables
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On 07/03/07, Moore, Michael < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Lift just tests tables, it does not make them accessible. The free
> editions of the WAVE, WebXact, and Cynthia Says will also allow you to
> test simple and complex tables. Making complex tables accessible
> requires the application of id attributes to the th elements and
> matching those ids to the proper cells using the header attribute in the
> td element. This can be done using any editor capable of editing web
> pages. Dreamweaver, for instance has a good wizard for creating
> accessible tables, or if you just want to be hard core, you can do
> everything in notepad.

That assumes, though, that this is a data, not a layout, table. Gary
didn't say which type it is.

Tim

From: Moore, Michael
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2007 7:10AM
Subject: Re: lift and complex tables
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On 07/03/07, Moore, Michael < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Lift just tests tables, it does not make them accessible. The free
> editions of the WAVE, WebXact, and Cynthia Says will also allow you to

> test simple and complex tables. Making complex tables accessible
> requires the application of id attributes to the th elements and
> matching those ids to the proper cells using the header attribute in
> the td element. This can be done using any editor capable of editing
> web pages. Dreamweaver, for instance has a good wizard for creating
> accessible tables, or if you just want to be hard core, you can do
> everything in notepad.

That assumes, though, that this is a data, not a layout, table. Gary
didn't say which type it is.

Tim

Quite right Tim, of course the tools that I listed will still allow you
to test to be sure that layout tables linearize properly. WAVE is
particularly good for this function. There are still a large number of
CMS systems in use that only generate table based layouts, and these can
become quite complex. Developers who hand code and still create table
based layouts should, IMHO, be shot. (squirt guns are fine for this
purpose) :)

Mike

From: Robert Yonaitis
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2007 7:20AM
Subject: Re: lift and complex tables
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Hello All:

Just chiming in with a bit on the tables. There have been some really good comments on this topic. I have always believed that tables are not simple in any way for an organization to test. There are several key factors"

1. Determine if Table is Data or Layout
2. Of the list that are data run through repair or mark-up solution
(As Everyone noted there are of course many options. I would recommend that you try every tool and test it with your largest tables. Some tools make the error of trying to load a whole table into memory (Bad) and this gives the all too familiar Not Responding status for the application. So make sure the tool does a block read from disk to load your tables as data is needed)
3. Fix the tables as per standards / Data and Layout as required by your organization

When you think of HiSoftware (as Mentioned in the List below) and our AccVerify (Cynthia Says) tools or our solutions for CMS Systems think of a solution that addresses the issue in the above manner. First Bringing clarity then delivering the solution.

Best of luck with your good work,

-Rob